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AW.... maybe you start a post on how effective the 7mm. mag is. I really would like to hear your opinion. Personally I have found it quite effective.


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bcboy - Or, how about that 45-70?

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sse!

Heresey I say!! I sure doo....shootin elk with a 45-70 when I got me a new fangled 348.

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I've killed more elk than most and I've guided quite a bit for elk in my younger years. Here are my opinions, and please recognize that they are based on field experience.



Hell yes, the .25-'06 is plenty big enough for elk, but it depends on the bullet. I've killed fair bulls with the 100-grain Nosler Partition in .25-'06. Hey, with a good lung shot, they go down like lightning.



In my opinion, heavy bullets don't kill well in the .25-'06 because it compromises the velocity. Speed and a great medium-weight bullet KILLS.



These days, with limited opportunity, more and more hunters rely on the "wisdom" of some of the established gun writers. Being part of the writing bunch, I realize that some of them are lacking both knowledge and experience. I'm happy to say that that comment does not apply to the writers on this forum.



In my guiding, the typical hunter showed up with a 7Mag and 175-grain hard bullets. Didn't kill worth crap. If the same hunter had come into camp with 139-grain Hornadys, 140-grain Nosler Partitions or 154-grain Hornadys, he would have been delighted with his kill.



Our worst experience was with a hunter who brought a new (with hanging tags) Model 70 .375 H&H with a 6.5-20 Leupold. Of course, he hadn't bothered to sight it in and missed a good bull on the first day. He picked up a couple of dings on his eyebrow from shooting at the bull with the short eye relief scope. He picked up a couple more when he zeroed the rifle in camp. By that time, he was totally afraid of the rifle.



He eventually killed a fair bull with my .308, loaded with 150-grain Partitions. Last I heard, he thought that the .308 was a magic gun. Actually, what he was experiencing was the wisdom of using a moderate cartridge and a great bullet. His guide, that would be me, assured that he was close enough to make the package (shooter and cartridge) effective.



My best guided hunter shot a 6.5X55 Swede and 125-grain Partitions. He was a retired mail man who wasn't afraid of canyons and could walk. He would never shoot beyond 200 yards and he shot both lungs every time. One shot--one dead elk, year after year.



What I'm trying to say, is with some common sense, good hunting techniques and fairly proper bullet placement, the 100-grain Partition in the .25-'06 will serve you just fine.



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I tried to edit the above and I was past the edit time limit.

The thought struck me that folks might think that I was all for using the .25-'06 as a primary elk rifle. That's not true.

If I was hunting deer with a .25-'06, had an elk tag in my pocket and a a bull volunteered to be killed, I'd surely take the shot. I've killed a enough elk with a .25-'06 to know thaat it works fine.

Also, if I was counting pennies and was primarily a deer hunter, but an occasional elk hunter, the .25-'06 would be OK.

Would I personally use the .25-'06 as a primary elk rifle? NOPE. Nor would I use the hard-kicking .300 Ultra, which is on the other end of the spectrum.

My perfect elk cartridge, at least at my current state of evolution, would be the .280 Ackley Improved with 140-grain Nosler Partitions. I've killed several bulls with 140 Ballistics and they work well, but the Partition adds just a little insurance.

I'm currently working with the 6.5-'06 Ackley and, in time, it might prove to be even better than the .280. For now, however, my vote would have to be for the .280 Ackley and 140s.

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Steve,

I haven't been following this thread. But, whatever happened to your .338-06? Several years ago I built one because of an article you wrote in Handloader. Am currently on my third one. Actually just finished it last weekend. Sucks Adl. with a Metalife SS finish bored by Al Siegrist. I had the bbl cut to 20 7/8" before being Metalifed. Dropped it into a Brown factory Rem. FS stock. Bare bones gun weighs 6 lb. 8 oz. Expect a Leuppie 6x42 will complete the package. Maybe Talley Lwt rings. Should be a joy to carry. Just wondered what you think of the .338-06 now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

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Hey 9.3,

Great cartridge. Goodness knows I've killed enough elk with it. Love the old 200-grain Winchester Power Point or the 210-grain Partition in the cartridge.

As I get older, however, I find myself getting more and more allergic to recoil. At the same time, it seems that game needs less killing. Dunno what's happening.

Hell, the last two big bulls I killed (both 6X6s) were with the 7-08 Ackley and 120-grain Ballistics. Bulls just fell down - probably in defference to my age. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Chub still uses the .338-'06 a great deal and he really likes the 200-grain Ballistic (very, very heavy jacket)

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