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It appears from my limited research the only way to get rid of this FUAbortion is another ballot measure initiative? I was under th impression this had a sunset clause, but can find no evidence of that.

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Which countries use ranked voting?
Ranked voting is used in national elections in Australia, Ireland, the United Kingdom (Scottish and Welsh Parliaments), the US States of Maine and Alaska. It is also used in Malta, Slovenia, and Nauru. It is also used for some local elections in New Zealand, and some locations in the United States.


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It’s going to be tough to kick out incumbents. I spoke with the state reps about it when i was looking at running for a house seat. I don’t think it’s going to be a good thing.

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Ranked Choice is a bad system that favors far left minority parties. How the heck did it get voted in for Alaska?

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Ranked Choice is a bad system that favors far left minority parties. How the heck did it get voted in for Alaska?
Stupid uninformed voters is how.


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Originally Posted by bowmanh
Ranked Choice is a bad system that favors far left minority parties. How the heck did it get voted in for Alaska?

Mail in ballots.

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The problem is that initiative had two things on it. All the ads ran talked about dark money and making candidates accountable for outside money. Not once did those ads talk about rank choice voting. So majority of Alaska who are uninformed voted yes on that ballot measure. Because darn it we need to see who’s giving who money! I was under the impression the initiative could only have one issue. But our beloved liberal state Supreme Court said otherwise.

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Also conservative talk show host mike Porcaro agency helped put ads together for the yes on ballot measure 2. He was asked why he supported it his answer was it would get more republicans to run lol. Answer his agency got paid over a million dollars to run ads.


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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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I posted this with above, but I guess I didn't let it breathe enough...

this should tell you all you need to know.

Ranked-choice voting is used for state primary, congressional, and presidential elections in Alaska and Maine and for local elections in more than 20 US cities including Cambridge, Massachusetts; San Francisco, California; Oakland, California; Berkeley, California; San Leandro, California; Takoma Park, Maryland; St.


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Originally Posted by 79S
The problem is that initiative had two things on it. All the ads ran talked about dark money and making candidates accountable for outside money. Not once did those ads talk about rank choice voting. So majority of Alaska who are uninformed voted yes on that ballot measure. Because darn it we need to see who’s giving who money! I was under the impression the initiative could only have one issue. But our beloved liberal state Supreme Court said otherwise.

Correct.
Illegal and unconstitutional initiative, in spite of what the state SC decided.


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And the Supremes won't touch it - it's a ''state's rights" issue. As if we could trust them anyway...

Guess we will have to do another ballot initiative to get rid of it, if we can. Is there a time limit this thing has to stay in effect before we can? Need to get it gone before 2024 if we can.

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Alaska Constitution:


Text of Section 6:
Enactment


Text of Section 6:
Enactment

An initiated law becomes effective ninety days after certification, is not subject to veto, and may not be repealed by the legislature within two years of its effective date. It may be amended at any time.

So 2 years


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Thanks- I thought there was something about 2 years in there. I was hoping it was a sunset clause..... frown


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We’ll need a different legislature than present to repeal it.


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We’ll need a different legislature than present to repeal it.

Yup!


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Agreed. As I said in OP- I think it will take another ballot initiative to get rid of it.


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Originally Posted by LoadClear
Alaska Constitution:


Text of Section 6:
Enactment


Text of Section 6:
Enactment

An initiated law becomes effective ninety days after certification, is not subject to veto, and may not be repealed by the legislature within two years of its effective date. It may be amended at any time.

So 2 years


If you can't repeal, then can it be amended to toothless?


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Alaska Constitution:


Text of Section 6:
Enactment


Text of Section 6:
Enactment

An initiated law becomes effective ninety days after certification, is not subject to veto, and may not be repealed by the legislature within two years of its effective date. It may be amended at any time.

So 2 years


If you can't repeal, then can it be amended to toothless?

Again, legislature.


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Agreed. As I said in OP- I think it will take another ballot initiative to get rid of it.

That will bring more dark money to fight….the dark money interests.


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Alaskans made a big mistake! RCV is used in Minneapolis and it is a nightmare for voters trying to figure out which socialist to vote for.


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Ranked chioce voting is a solution to a non-existing problem. It is a VERY bad thing.

They (dems) implemented it in Maine ~8:years ago. It was used to remove a very good 3-4(?) term republican Congressman from our 2nd Congressional district ( northern Maine. We only have 2 congressional districts). We lost Congressman Bruce Poliquin (R-ME) to dem snake Jared Golden (D-ME now). Poliquin is running again this election cycle in 2022. Fingers crossed.

Poloquin had more votes than Golden, but it wasn't a "majority of votes >50+%," so the new ranked choice balloting sysyem was used to include votes from from two other candidates (distant 3rd an 4th place
Independent party candidate, and a Green party candidate). In the end, it unfortunately ousted the incombent Republican congressman (a very good man).

Ranked choice voting is a scam. Do all you can to kill it, and prevent its use in any election. Combine that with fake ballots, and you have a corrupt voting system. Let the person whonhas the most votes win the election, whether there are two coandidates, or seven. There is NO reason why a candidate needs to hold a "50%+ majority" of votes to be declaredd the winner. NONE!


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IIRC, there re about 50 people running to fill DonYoung's seat.

We are gonna get screwed, per buttstock's narration.

Again.


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Originally Posted by las
IIRC, there re about 50 people running to fill DonYoung's seat.

We are gonna get screwed, per buttstock's narration.

Again.


Yep, why do you think the Dems were all in for it? I think we may actually see Al Gross win Don Young’s old seat due to it. As soon as we try to remove ranked choice voting and call it the fraud it really is, screams of racism will occur. That’s about all the left knows now.

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Wasn't it Lisa's ex-campaign manager that pushed so hard for it? Like you said- Democrat....By any other name.

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Yeah, but the RNC is backing Liissaaaa biggly...

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the only way out of "ranked choice" will involve tossing the tea in the bay & watering the tree of Liberty


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Agreed. Incumbents get re-elected more than 75% of the time.


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Arrow's Impossibility Theorem has been around for a long time. Liberals probably knew about it and were laughing when Prop 2 passed. I never thought that such a stupid proposition would pass.


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Remember... it was hyped all about "making dark money visible -" and funded by same. Typical Dem/Alinski move.


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I wonder if our mail-in ballots were on that USPS trailer truck that just burned up near Seward Y????? smile

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Originally Posted by las
I wonder if our mail-in ballots were on that USPS trailer truck that just burned up near Seward Y????? smile

Yep. Sure they were. Replacements and backup ballots will be mailed soon.


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So who in your opinion on this stupid effing ballot is worth looking at?

Without looking into my guess at the worst option would be a toss up between Gross and Santa.

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So who in your opinion on this stupid effing ballot is worth looking at?

Without looking into my guess at the worst option would be a toss up between Gross and Santa.



The bottom feeders are easy to spot, for sure.

Sarah is not polling well and could end up being the spoiler. Nick Begich should change his name because of the taint developed by the two previous generations, but he is the best choice IMO.

Especially later in his career Young got over in the weeds to the driver side quite a bit.


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100% for Nick in this.


Revak is a nonstarter for me because of his deceit on the PFD. Sarah is a loose cannon.

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Also, 100% for Tshibaka.

Gotta change things around here.


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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
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So who in your opinion on this stupid effing ballot is worth looking at?

Without looking into my guess at the worst option would be a toss up between Gross and Santa.



The bottom feeders are easy to spot, for sure.

Sarah is not polling well and could end up being the spoiler. Nick Begich should change his name because of the taint developed by the two previous generations, but he is the best choice IMO.

Especially later in his career Young got over in the weeds to the driver side quite a bit.


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Originally Posted by las
I wonder if our mail-in ballots were on that USPS trailer truck that just burned up near Seward Y????? smile




Speaking of mail-in ballots.....I just received one in the mail yesterday. I didn't request it and I'm not using it to vote. I will NOT vote by mail. Is this the SoA's normal practice now?

Also, can I use it to set up a bait station for shooting ballot harvesters and election fraudsters?


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Every registered voter was sent one. Period. You don't have to use it- we will do in-person if available, but I think that option will be limited to certain times and places fewer than in a "normal" vote.


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Originally Posted by stevelyn
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I wonder if our mail-in ballots were on that USPS trailer truck that just burned up near Seward Y????? smile

Speaking of mail-in ballots.....I just received one in the mail yesterday. I didn't request it and I'm not using it to vote. I will NOT vote by mail. Is this the SoA's normal practice now?

Also, can I use it to set up a bait station for shooting ballot harvesters and election fraudsters?

Please use it to vote. There is no in-person voting for the House primary.

NOT voting is a vote for Gross, Al.


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Originally Posted by stevelyn


Speaking of mail-in ballots.....I just received one in the mail yesterday. I didn't request it and I'm not using it to vote. I will NOT vote by mail. Is this the SoA's normal practice now?

Also, can I use it to set up a bait station for shooting ballot harvesters and election fraudsters?



See if you can't do both -- in person and use your mail in ballot! That's what the libs will be doing I'm sure.

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I wonder if our mail-in ballots were on that USPS trailer truck that just burned up near Seward Y????? smile

Speaking of mail-in ballots.....I just received one in the mail yesterday. I didn't request it and I'm not using it to vote. I will NOT vote by mail. Is this the SoA's normal practice now?

Also, can I use it to set up a bait station for shooting ballot harvesters and election fraudsters?

Please use it to vote. There is no in-person voting for the House primary.

NOT voting is a vote for Gross, Al.



I opened it up today and realized this is how the special election is being conducted. Hell no I won't allow Al "The Fraudulent Bear Slayer" Gross a free vote. I still have his old campaign poster on the wall with blowgun darts sticking in it COM.


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I wonder if our mail-in ballots were on that USPS trailer truck that just burned up near Seward Y????? smile

Speaking of mail-in ballots.....I just received one in the mail yesterday. I didn't request it and I'm not using it to vote. I will NOT vote by mail. Is this the SoA's normal practice now?

Also, can I use it to set up a bait station for shooting ballot harvesters and election fraudsters?

Please use it to vote. There is no in-person voting for the House primary.

NOT voting is a vote for Gross, Al.

I opened it up today and realized this is how the special election is being conducted. Hell no I won't allow Al "The Fraudulent Bear Slayer" Gross a free vote. I still have his old campaign poster on the wall with blowgun darts sticking in it COM.

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I went Sarah as at least I know how she’ll vote.



If history is any indication, she will raise taxes and then brag about "balancing the budget".

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What if…..

the choice was between sweet sister Sarah and Revak?
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