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It looks like it has a dragon on it. I don't think it is a Lantac. Do you guys know who makes this one? Came on a new rifle I bought. Whoever had it before went to town with Mountain Tactical parts. From the picatinny rain, bolt handle, aluminum bottom metal. I am going to try it with the brake, without and then with a linear comp. Not a huge fan of muzzle brakes, so it may get sent down the road, unless it impresses me in some way..

Kinda looks like Griffin Armament

Yeah, that might be a Griffin. I was trying to think what the heck that was. Thanks. I'll research that.. Yep, looks like you are right. It appears to be their Gate lok hammer comp. Dang, it retails for almost $100.00. Shaking head here.. And I just put on a cheap azzed linear comp... Hmmm...

Gate lok hammer comp

Thanks for your help. Now I will know how to list it on ebay, if I decide to sell it..

I think he was running a suppressor on this rifle..

Good looking setup....I like it!

Thanks buddy. I just picked it up yesterday. Saw it a couple months ago. One of my buddies loves the 204 Ruger and he told me I better buy it. He was actually wanting a Tikka super varmint in 204, but he said they don't import them to the US. I shot the rifle this morning, it shoots almost moa with factory ammo. I am working on a quick bedding job right now. Should see if there is a difference this afternoon...



I was checking drop at different yardages this morning. It shoots real flat at 200 yards, but after 300, it starts dropping pretty fast. I'm going to load up some 40gr Vmax and those should do a little better further out..

Thanks again for letting me know who makes that brake. I think I'll leave it on there. It reduces recoil, even though the 204 doesn't have much. I'm hoping to get it to shooting like my $500.00 Tikka Varmint 22-250. When I bought that one, it supposedly "didn't shoot". This one is a little easier, since it has an aluminum bedding block.

What no more waiting 3 weeks to get your rifle anymore?? Bet you are loving Nevada’s gun laws😁

We have a fella that shoots a 204 at our clubs 600yd midrange matches. He does real well with it, he only brings it out on nice calm days.

Hell yes buddy!!! Ha ha. I was looking at a 6 digit classic stainless yesterday for $850. It's borderline more than I want to pay and not quite the deal I generally get/find. They have had it for a few months. I can't believe this Tikka though. No one bought it and it was in the shop for 3 months as well. Everything I added up costs more than what I paid for the rifle. He even threw in 2 boxes of ammo for $50. Didn't charge me taxes or a background check. Well, I guess that was included in the "great deal" he was giving me? I pulled the mountain tactical rail off last night and listed it on ebay. I am using my steel CTR rail, as I like it better. I really like how the rifle feels, however I feel a little more comfortable behind my Tikka Varmint 22-250. Maybe because its heavier. This one still moves around pretty easily after the shot. I thought there would be no recoil at all and I'd be able to stay on target, but the barrel is only 20" long and a light profile. Did the old bang it up quick bedding job today. I'll probably shoot it again in the morning. I expect accuracy to improve a little bit, then it will be time for load development.



Pretty simple skim bedding job^^^ This was before I sanded the barrel channel to allow a better freefloat. The barreled action fits in there like a glove now.. It had a slight rock/roll like non bedded Tikkas have, but its all better now. I know I didn't have to, but it sure helps for longer shot strings and consistency. Guys I shoot against talk about how their rifles "walk" after the barrel starts heating up, I just nod my head and smile... ha ha.

I know I remember hearing you mention that before. That is quite a feat man. Kudos to him. I was actually surprised this morning that the wind did not affect the POI as much as I thought it would. I want to get this rifle to shooting 1" at 400 yards, then I'll see how it does at 600. If I feel like it will compete, I'll take it out, but it will have to really shine before that happens.. The rabbits at 611 yards would be a challenge with a rifle that does not shoot 1/2 moa or so..

Both of my CTR's shoot less than 1/2 moa at 600 yards, but the one that really surprises me is the 22-250 shooting the 53gr Vmax:


That's a rabbit killing sob right there..^^ I don't expect the little 204 to do that well. I was also surprised to see the 204 drop was the same as the 22-250 at 400 yards. After about that far, the 22-250 will smoke it..

Nice clean bedding job, looks good. And good shooting too. Have fun with it. I love my Tikka's

I use Anderson uppers and lowers. I really don't find any major advantage with expensive YHM or Spyder parts.
If you wanna bust some extra bucks, get a nice Giselle (sp?) trigger. That and a decent scope and maybe a better grade of barrel.
I've got a $58 barrel that shoots lights out! 😉
But when it comes to pieces parts, gas blocks, flash suppressors, etc, I ALWAYS check out the bargain bins.
I won't touch (another!😖) UTG/Leeper scope, but I do like their stocks, foreends and other bits and pieces.

I'll admit it! I'm a cheapskate...tightwad....miser....but my AR's shoot and FFF just fine.

Wow

Thanks jc. I like tinkering with my rifles. I've never been on the 204 Ruger band wagon. Its going to take a lot to impress me. I know the fn barrel heats up pretty fast, but sent these out the pipe nice and hot. I know TWR wouldn't want to stick his hand on that sucker:


Not perfect conditions and the damn slick azzed bench doesn't help. Too many guys on the 100 yard range today, so I shot the long range. It kind of sucks because you have to shoot downhill on the targets. I damn near though about getting down in the prone, since the bipod doesn't slip on the cement, but it does on the slick steel.. Got her done though:


320 yards. Dialed 2 moa up. I think that was about right. I thought maybe a head shot, but I probably would have missed. Don't know this rifle well enough.. I would have done it with my 22-250. Then these came out too. I saw it fly down toward the target after my last shot, put my rifle away, drove down to the targets and took its picture:

That would have been an easy head shot at 200 yards.. ha ha.

I'm a cheap azz too. I like keeping my money in my pocket. Every gun I buy is an investment. I DO NOT lose money on any of them. When I buy a rifle with a $450 stock, upgraded bolt handle ($75.00), nice Griffen Armament muzzle brake ($100) and upgraded aluminum bottom metal ($150), I'm not going to complain one bit. Oh, and the mountain tactical rail I pulled off and will later sell. That's all a bonus. Also, on the subject of ar's, you don't need a Geiselle trigger on an AR. Try one of RRA's 2 stage varmint match triggers that you can buy most days for less than $80. I don't skimp on barrels and bolts when it comes to AR's. There may also be some really cheap AR's out there that will outshoot mine, but I have not personally seen them..

The 204 is one of my favorite rounds that started life with me hating it. The 32 grain bullets sucked for my uses but the 35 grain Bergers made me like it and the 40 grain Bergers made me love it. Try some Nosler 40's as well when you get a chance but depending on the twist, some guns won't shoot them.

Mine of course is a Kimber Montana and I wish it shot as good as that Tikka does there, Mines more MOAish but as many guns as I have that are MOAish, maybe it's me...

Thanks for the suggestion and sharing your experience buddy. I just ordered a drop tube for my uniflo. I knew that was going to happen. I modified one of my small ones, but I want a correct one. Set up the die set for minimal run out. The best I could do is .005" max TIR. Most fell in the .002-.003" range. You'd be surprised at what the runout was/is on the factory Fiocchi 32gr Vmax loads. The worst one was .011" and the best was .002". I stopped checking them after looking at 10. I guess that is not surprising for factory loads. I'm thinking my handloads will shoot better. Hopefully more consistently, but we will see. Decided to give CFE223 a try. As I drove home from the range, I was thinking to myself that I don't really have a use for the 32gr loads. The reason I bought 3 boxes of the 40gr Vmax bullets. I will definitely remember to keep an eye out for those Bergers and Noslers. Funny thing is a while back I found some Nosler varmagedon's for my buddy. They were on clearance at Walmart for $13/box. I couldn't pass that deal up and my buddy really appreciated it. I hear you about your Kimber. Those super light weight rifles are tough to shoot. This Tikka still needs a new trigger spring to lighten up the pull. It is the first Tikka that has needed that. I have not touched it with the trigger pull gauge, but I'm thinking it is about 3 pounds. On a fairly lightweight rifle, I like something closer to 2 pounds. I'm going to pull the spring out and have a look at it. Not going to pay $10 for a new spring though. That is ridiculous.

I’m using TAC with both the 35’s and 40’s but I just found a load that worked good for me and started killing coyotes with it.

I shot the 40 grain Vmax factory ammo when I first got the rifle and there’s nothing wrong with the bullet or the load. I think I got 37something on the chronograph and it killed coyotes just like my 22-250 did. I shot these 3 shots with the 40 grain Vmax and went and bought more of it to get started.

Not bad. Have you tried that Fiocchi stuff? I think Scheels has it for $42/box of 50 rounds. I know, we handload our own, but I could not find brass anywhere around here and the guy at the shop sold me 2 boxes for $50.00. I went back for another 2 boxes, since he gave me such a good deal on it. I told him I didn't expect that kind of deal on the ammo again, since he was giving me a stellar deal for buying the rifle from him. I said Sheel's sells it for $42/box, but I don't want to drive to Reno! He said, "I can do that". Cool!! Now I have a little brass and some 40's already worked up. The wind is blowing like hell today though. The 40 Vmax has a bc of .275, which I found interesting. My favorite 53gr Vmax I use in my 22-250's has a bc of .290 and it does damn well, considering.. As for powder, I will give TAC a try too. JB dotes on the stuff, or I should say he likes it in the 204 Ruger..

I haven’t tried any other factory ammo since I bought this first stuff. At that time brass was unavailable as was most everything else.

I put the 204 right up there with the 22-250 in factory form anyway, my 1/8 twisted 22-250AI Montana is a different story.

Buy some of that Nosler 222 mag from shooters pro shop for $45 a 100 neck it down. I will keep an eye out for you on brass and bullets. Pretty sure the 3 bears by us has 204 bullets priced cheap. I know during Obama reign all you could find up here was 204 ammo (this was after sandy hook 2012) Well not a lot of 204 shooters up here. I think at the time you cold even get AR barrels in the 204. I mentioned this before I really need to hunt down a Remington SA prefer a Winchester SA PF, 2ith a 223 bolt face send it off get a 26inch 1-7 twist barrel screwed on have the chamber cut to shoot the 88 ELD-M. Also be able to feed those 88's from the magazine. Those boys in you shoot with in Nevada wouldn't know what to think. Be one hell of a F-class rifle.

I bet. Being able to run heavies in the 22-250 would be near perfect for me. One of these days!!

Thanks J. Yeah, they were surprised when I was hanging with them with the 22-250 using 53's. A 204 Ruger would be insane. Like I said though, I would not even attempt it unless it surprises the hell out of me. It would have to be shooting on par with my 22-250 and that one shoots pretty consistently out to 600 yards. Weird as hell, but that 22-250 spanks my creedmores on calmer days.. It kind of pizzes me off. Another reason I fine tuned my first CTR 6.5 creedmoor to shoot better. That less than 1" 3 shot group and other consistent 1" 3 shot groups with the 22-250 at 400 yards torments that creedmire.. What's even worse is the 22-250 has shot better at 600 yards as well. Not much better, but better nonetheless. The funny thing is that bullet is not even supposed to stabilize in that twist rate.

It's all about speed, example a 224 Valkyrie with a 80gr eld-m will out shoot the 88gr eld-m loaded in a 224 Valkyrie. Ballistic calculators don't lie. example your 6.5 CM with 140 ELD-M at 600 yds if using a avg velocity of 2750 you need to come up 12.76 MOA, 22-250 with a 53gr bullet at 3600 FPS (taking a wild guess) come up 9.4 MOA. Thats why high power shooters and f-class shooter push the envelope on speed.

Let’s take it up a notch a fast twist 22-250 shooting 80gr ELD-m at 3150 using the true bc of .505 (Brian Litz tested) bullet drop is 10 moa at 600 wind drift in 10mph winds is 3.2. At 1000yds drop in MOA is 23 wind drift 6.1.

My 22-250AI shooting 75 grain Amax's at 3450 fps only requires 6.5 mil's at 1000 yards while the 6.6 Creedmoor I had shooting the 140 grain ELD-M at 2700 fps took half that again to get there but only took half the wind. Add in an AO on the Creed scope I had vs the non AO on the 250 and the slow poke Creedmoor won by a huge margin.

I've got my chrono loaned out at the moment but I'm getting ready to load up some of those 88's just to see if it evens things out.

Yes, I'm talking accuracy. Not necessarily drop. That is easily enough taken care of with a twist of the dial. The 22-250 shoots pretty dang good at 600, even with light bullets. I guess that is what I'm getting at. I do realize a fast twist 22-250 would be that much better. Of course better accuracy potential with a higher bc bullet etc..

Keep us posted. The higher bc's definitely help the further out you get. I do like my 6.5, but was actually surprised how well a light bullet does in the 22-250. When you can shoot a 2 5/8" group at 600 yards on a regular basis, that is pretty good.. 1" at 400, not bad either.

Run that data with a 80gr eld-m and bc of .505. Ok I did at 600 hundred 22-250 moving that 80 at 3300. You have 9.2 moa come up and in 10mph wind you have wind drift of 3.4.

High bc only helps when you can push it fast. Having a bc of .650 worthless when a said round can only push 2600-2700. That’s why a fast twist 224 will whip a 6.5 CM, as I said ballistic calculators don’t lie. You say you are amazed your 22-250 does well with light bullets is because you are pushing them at 3500-3600 fps. Why you think guys are transitioning to the 6XC, and 22 CM. If one could safely push a 95gr SMK or 88gr ELD-M at 3200-3300 fps. Ph uck one would be whipping some ass on the 1000yd line.

Yes and no, I think. The best wind reader will often win in the end. Case in point is the 2021 NRA long range championships where 1st and 3rd place overall were won by Phoenix area shooters using iron sighted .308s with 155s... against the any/any rifles.

I will take speed to make up for my inability not knowing how to read wind worth a crap. 😁

If you think about it, mike is kind of saying the same thing. Those 155's are light and faster than say a 190 or 200 smk.

If you think about it, mike is kind of saying the same thing. Those 155's are light and faster than say a 190 or 200 smk.

Very true and longer barrel. I have a f class rifle it’s my daughters has a 28 inch barrel and I’m getting 2800 with 175’s. That’s using standard load data no over max.

Very good. Those guys I shoot against all have 28" and longer tubes on their rifles. All custom jobs. Some have brakes, some have suppressors. I was talking to a smith there and he was talking about F class rifles. One guy was saying that is basically what his is set up for. It's chambered in 308w and weighs 18 pounds I think. He was shooting 155 Scenars and doing well. I outshot him, but not by a lot. He was in a different group, but when I was waiting for my turn, I was watching to see how he was doing. I was actually impressed with how well it was doing in the wind. Some guys fell apart as the day progressed because they were letting the wind get to them. I was actually shooting better because I was more focused. What almost got me was the temperature rise affecting bullet drop. I had to dial down 1 moa, at 600 yards, towards the last half of the shoot. In the morning it was cold and by the time we were done, it was hot... All that makes a difference in what the bullet is going to do on target... Funny thing is I overheard some of the guys there with fast 6mm's and they said they did not have to compensate very much for the wind, even on the 6-700 yard targets. They do have a distinct advantage there. That 6GT is probably one I'll try as soon as I decide I want to soup up my extra CTR...

Most, if not all of the heavy 30 caliber bullets will use less wind at 1000 yards than a 155 when launched with a .308. The 155s are used by most of the Palma guys as they are required by ICFRA for international competition. That creates a very level playing field without much in the way of an equipment race. That's probably what I like best about it, plus irons and sling are cool.

What kind of winds have you been shooting in BSA? A good 6.5 match bullet should perform extremely well at the distances you mentioned. They all blow around though.

Yeah, my 6.5 does well, but the wind even at 400 yards has blown the 140 ELD match off by a foot. We get some major winds here in Nevada, but last month's shoot the winds were only gusting to 18 according to the kestrel. Enough to f with a lot of guys there. It not only blows air, but also dust and dirt around. Tomorrow is supposed to be windy too, so we will see how it goes.

That's definitely windy. Try using the upwind dust as a wind indicator if you aren't already. I'm assuming there are no wind flags.

Yep, you are assuming right. I generally watch what direction the dust, from the bullet splash, blows and how fast. Also watch mirage. That works when the sun is out good, but not so much when there's over cast skies. No wind flags allowed. Its a fun shoot, since I hunt it is great. It caters more to the varmint hunter, or "long range" varmint shooter. Our first shoot of the day is a money shoot where everyone puts in $5 and the winner gets the pot. Its a cold bore shoot and the target is at 800 yards, but the target is different each time. The first time I went, it was a steel milk jug. 1 shooter hit that. I went to school with that guy and he is pretty bad azzed. Then they tried to make it easier the next time and 7 of us (out of 22 shooters) hit the target. That time I was set up with better optics and using my creedmoor. That rifle shoots great, but I had not shot it at 800 yet with the new scope. I lucked out and just dialed in the dope based on what the calculator told me and I hit the small yote target. To make it more challenging, they had it quartering away from us. That morning it was pretty calm. Its all fun Mike. Like I've said before, shooting is shooting. I like competing. Used to shoot for money in competitive trap/money shoots. Had a partner that went with me and we did that every weekend and even on some weeknights. I'd make on average about $300.00/week back in the early 2000's. That was mainly done with a shotgun I paid $160 for, but it worked and it pizzed the guys off running Perazzis..