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Am I reading you right that it might be easier to say if you have a green front sight, go with the green dot? Or if you have the green dot, go with a green front sight?

If you have a green tritium dot on the front sight, and an RDS with a green dot, you will not be able to see the light from the green tritium front sight through the RDS lens. If you have green tritium dot on the front sight, and an RDS with a red dot, you will be able to see the light from the green tritium front sight through the RDS lens.

If you want to see the light from the front sight through the RDS lens, then the two can't be the same color or the RDS lens will filter out the light from the front sight. A green dot RDS will filter out the green front sight light. So if you want to see the front sight light through the RDS lens, you have to go with an amber front sight.

If you want to see the front sight light through the lens of a red dot RDS, then you can use amber or a green front sight.

Look at the color of the coating on the front of the RDS lens. Whever color it is, that's the color light hat gets filtered out. So you have to use a different color not to get filtered out.

I'm not sure this is problem, but it is a phenomenon not many people give thought to. I didn't. When I looked through my green dot sight at my front sight in the dark, no light from the green tritium was making it through the lense of my sight.

Interesting but I've never been able to see any of my front sights through the tinted lenses. When I say see them I mean they don't glow so the last one I had had a plain black Dawson front, I tried red FO's and Green FO's, they just didn't pop for me.

That left me back to working on the real problem, indexing from the draw. I got it worked out pretty well then had to shoot WHO and was lost as a goose. There needs to be some sort of way to line things up as you pick up the pistol with your peripheral vision as you do irons. The big red circle that gives you a hint of where you're at might be the ticket. But the most useful tip I got was drop the dot into the rear sight, it's almost always high. Funny that I and seems everyone else has the dot just out of the top of the window. That's how it was on my 686, my Glocks, my Ruger MK4 and my Buckmark.

That is exactly what I experienced at 1st, muzzle to high. I even swapped out batteries before I figured it out.

This is a Ruger Max 9 with a Romeo 0
This is sited in at about 10 yd. It has a green fiber optic tube for the front site and the dot in the Romeo just disappears in the front site basically when held correctly to iron sight. But then gives the ability to be held a little high low whatever and know where your bullets going

Well got paid today from my dump job, was able to get my hi point out of layaway. Well I still had a little scratch left over so splurged and got a Keior Tactical RMR Red Dot Sight for $36 bucks. Deflave I promise you I will work my tail off to be super proficient with this set up.

Massad Ayboob continues to amaze.

LOL

I see baby seal meat in your future.

Some thoughts for you monkeys before I roll out this morning:

Don't fall for the trap about speed and irons vs speed and dot sights as it applies to close distance. I fell in this trap with my first couple forays into optics on defensive handguns and it's a fallacy. The site does not make you slower. You are making you slower because you're not learning. You're reverting.

When you figure out the correct presentation you will find that the dot being somewhere else is because you are not gripping and presenting your pistol correctly. This is something that you're not seeing with irons and it's the cause of a lot of your "What the fugks" when you head downrange and look at targets. If your grip is pushing left, the dot will tell you. If your grip is pushing things right, the dot will tell you. If you're heeling, the dot will tell you. If you're sending rounds south of the intended target because you're pushing the gun at the apex of your draw, the dot will tell you. The dot will tell you by not being there when you hoped/thought it would.

To save range time and money (or do it at the range if you want) put a holster on and set your timer with a par time that suits you. If you're a one shot, 2 seconds, from the 7yd line guy with irons, then set your par time to 2 seconds. Gun should come straight up and out while your support hand moves toward the center of your chest. When they meet, slide the gun toward the target. Don't bring your head down. Don't lean forward. Don't "blade" toward the target. Just stand there, draw with both hands in motion, and push the pistol toward your target while keeping the top of the slide parallel to the deck. Trigger should be breaking with the dot on what you want to hit as the par time beeps.

Do this 10,000 times and reduce your par times accordingly.

Once you get your old bullschit out of the way (this will happen because not seeing the dot is going to fix you) you are ready for some range time. While on the range use an iron equipped handgun that you've proven effective with. Run some drills with it, run some drills with the dot. If your dot is still slower you're doing something wrong. This is due to your not listening to Flave's previous writings. Listen to Flave.

If things are where you want them to be, reserve some ammo for 25 and 50 yard shooting. You may find that your par time at the 5yd line somehow became the same at the 25yd line. Your brain will whisper something like "holy fugk, Flave really is God." While that may be true the reality is that the dot is simply allowing you to do what you've always been capable of doing. It's doing this by showing you what's wrong with you. It's showing you by disappearing until you get it right.

If your optic equipped handgun came with irons that co-witness, great. But ignore the irons. Tape over them if you have to. If your optic equipped pistol did not come equipped with co-witness irons, leave it that way while you're learning. I find some of the worst advice you can give a guy is using the front or rear sight to assist with finding the dot. You're just keeping yourself in the same old rut. They are there in case the optic fails. Nothing more. Ignore them until you've mastered the dot. Which is really mastering your grip and presentation from the holster.

The issues of fogging, dirt, etc. have (in my experience) been moot. I live in what most would consider a mildly humid region and while there is a thin film of fog when you exit an A/C'd building or vehicle, it would in no way impair your shooting of a person that was in need of shooting. On most quality optics, you won't even know it's there.

Last but not least, when you read or hear about a person that claims competition shooting has no relevance to real world application of force, you are reading or hearing the words of a fugking idiot. While some types of gear, teaching points, and tactics may not be transferable to on-duty use of firearms, the vast majority of it is. When you reach regional, state, and national level champion type shooting, you are in the F1 world of handgunning. If those people make a separate classification for dot sights vs. irons, you can rest afugkingssured that they have determined the dot sight gives an advantage that irons cannot compete with. Shooters being comparable of course.


You're welcome,
Flave

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1st off Flave is not God contrary to what he believes
Secondly, we'll written piece Flave. I've been practicing grip and presentation with gun unloaded picking out different objects around the house. It's becoming more natural. It's about bad habits. Sort of like archery form, if it's not consistent it'll show up on target

Spot on

A blanket feucktard statement. The proverbial teaspoon of dogshlt in the brownies.

Fixed it for you.


One hand clapping...

1.) Yes I am.

2.) I don't need you to tell me I write well.

3.) Which holster are you using?

D.) Please don't compare pistol shooting to archery.

+1

dla's epitaph should read "Just because you could shoot better than me, doesn't mean you could shoot better than me."

The red dot site is good if you live and carry and shoot in a clean environment, but if you work or live in a dusty environment, they are not wonderful, makes no differents what you use, if you know how to use it, if you don't know how it makes a differents. Rio7

If I was buying a new XDm/G20 to hunt with, I might give a dot a tryout.

As it stands I hunt with more traditional stuff and I'm not hanging scopes/dots on them.

The guns I normally carry, an old J frame and an XD45 SC, get shot frequently. I'm comfortable with what I can do with them and fast or deliberate, they're just about autopilot.

Sooner or later one of the friends & family who shoot here will drag a dot-sighted pistol along and I'll give it a try.

Uh Rio, we have been successfully warring w/ illum type optics for 20+ years in dusty environments.

"flaves epistle to the serious shooters nailed it, even though written by a dog pecker gnat.

Learning new schidt will get ya killed on the street



mike r

lvmiker, I'm not at war with anyone, what you say is true,they are not for me and i have tried them, my point is whatever works for you. the dog pecker CATFISH, is good at repeating what he has GOOGLED. he's never been close to a gun fight in his life. Rio7