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Originally Posted by tylerw02
So did OP get a ballistics calculator so he could figure out what is flattest and most wind-bucking?
Oh yeah, I found one online for my needs. Lots of fun to plug in the numbers. I only go so far with ballistics, refuse to get all involved with the intricacies of G1,G7, etc....I spent my hitch in the Army ( Germany 73-73) in Artillery. I was trained as a Cannon cocker, then an Artillery Weapons Mechanic (hydraulic/electrical) in Ft. Sill (71) When I go to Germany, typical Army made me learn to be in Fire Direction Center OJT. We did everything manually back then. The chart operator called out range/azimuth, the Computer (soldier) used the right giant slide rule with the range info for all the variables you had to compute. You called the guns with the elevation/azimuth and the Forward Observer called back the corrections or end of mission. I wore my gray matter down to the white meat! I was "fried" with all the numbers! So ever since I got out, hunting for me means to find him in my range (where I'm confident) or get closer , and use a "point and shoot" rifle. I'm a pretty good judge of range out to 300 or so with my naked eye. If I have time I use a small Range Finder. I've also killed wads of deer/hogs with a lever action 30-30 and semi-auto 30-06 with irons. Love it too. I'm bolted together now, stiffer, so I tend to shoot further. But I'm having fun. smile

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It ain't the rifle, it's the rifleman. Any high BC/LR bullet from 6.5/130 to 308/165 or better at 2750+ is going to have relatively the similar characteristics out to 450 yards.

Knowing the distance within 10% and the wind within 25% and knowing what your ballistics are is going to be way more important, than the difference in ballistics between cartridges.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
But just because SOME hunters miss or wound antelope at closer ranges doesn't have anything to do with my point. Both range and, especially, wind tend to make longer shots more prone to error.

Pretty sure JB was just trying to answer the OP’s question; the .264 Winchester Magnum

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According to the Ballistic Calculator, even this 25-06 with the factory 120 Corlokt is awful flat out to 400yds. I've never, ever shot at game past 385 and it was nerve wracking then, ha.

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i have always felt out to 400 yards with a good rest i and many others can make that shot , its when you get past 400 yards the vudo magic can start and just get worse the farther away a person shoots . 400-600 yards can sometimes be hard but 1,000 yds anyone can get a Dairy Queen score / a big fat = 0 in competition . shoot`n bulleyes can be hard for score.


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You guys are extremely lucky to have speed goats as a resource here in Mississippi we do have long deer seasons but deer and small game just about do it!!!!!!


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So why wouldn't the .270 wcf with 85 grain (GSCustom) their cnc ,@ 3800 fps is not being included in this group of lazer beam choices?
It is ideal for Looney rifleman, it a very expensive, South African made, a bore rider and GS Custom have handloading data on their website.
For getting here to there, it must be on the shortlist.

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If it's too far away for a 257 Weatherby, it's too far away.

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[quote=comerade]So why wouldn't the .270 wcf with 85 grain (GSCustom) their cnc ,@ 3800 fps is not being included in this group of lazer beam choices?

It should be, but "for me" I'm moving on to others after I gave my grand daughter My Kimber .270. It shoots the Barnes 100TTSX laser-like. smile

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Originally Posted by Mike_Dettorre
It ain't the rifle, it's the rifleman. Any high BC/LR bullet from 6.5/130 to 308/165 or better at 2750+ is going to have relatively the similar characteristics out to 450 yards.

Knowing the distance within 10% and the wind within 25% and knowing what your ballistics are is going to be way more important, than the difference in ballistics between cartridges.

Spoken like a true professional.

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Originally Posted by natman
If it's too far away for a 257 Weatherby, it's too far away.

The two flattest factory cartridges I've seen, 6mm or larger, to 400 yards are the .257 Weatherby Magnum and the 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum.

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I'm pretty fond of my 6mm Creedmoor, I think it would be about perfect but the last Antelope I shot was with the 240 Wby mag at roughly 250 yards and it performed as expected. The hardest part of shooting Wby mags, at least for me, was finding ammo. I do handload but factory ammo was always loaded pretty stout.

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6.5 RPM or 6.5 Nosler is where I'd be looking.

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With your description of what you would use it for.... I can not imagine needing more then a standard 25-06. I have or have had the 25-06, 257wby, 6.5CM, 270win & 270wby. out to ~400 on speed goats and the 25-06 are a match made in heaven. I used to shoot Rock Chucks out in the High Desert out to about that range with 100gr NBT as a GP load and it was great having 1 load for practice, chucks, yote's and MD/Pronghorn. You build one with a 24-26" tube and there is no reason to play with anything but a standard 1-10 twist a spotter weight with a great fitting stock is just what the DR. Ordered IMO:) If you need to go faster/flatter get a bigger hammer.

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Originally Posted by natman
If it's too far away for a 257 Weatherby, it's too far away.
I like the way you Think.....


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257 WBY would be hard to beat for sure. I also have a 6mm PRC that will be in the running as well


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I have a shotgun so I have no need for a 30-06.....
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this year i just got done with a new barreled 257 Weatherby mag. its a Brux barrel ,28 inch , 7 1/2 twist barrel contour 4 on a Weathery Mark 5 action , my reamer , scope will be 5-22 x 56 Nightforce / Picatinny mnts. this rifle should shoot Berger 135 gr. ,131 B.J. or Hammer bullets a long ways out on Antelope if i draw a tag in Wyoming this year ? the G7 is .334 G1 is .650 so the ballistics are there the rest will be up to me .

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The first animal I hunted in the US was pronghorn and I brought a .30/06 over to do it.
Once I had seen how small and lightly framed they were and looked over a lot of acreage from Wyoming and South Dakota I made up my mind on that first visit that the .25/06 would be a good option. Certainly too, the .257 Weatherby is never a bad choice for any deer sized animals.


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I have the 25-06 over at my smith's shop now for a Trigger Tech Special and a skim-bedding over that aluminum bedding block thats in the B&C stock. I just got my 98gr Hammer Power-Hammers in. Sweet! I'm getting jazzed....

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