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Been reading the above thread with great interest. Especially the crap idiotic "chain store" employees that have NO idea what they are talking about when it comes to Form 4473.

Now....

How many of you have used a law enforcement friend or family member to run the S/N on a firearm or do a background check on someone you bought/sold a firearm to?

Do you realize that act is illegal and can cause your LEO friend their job/career?

I know guys that do it now, and I've told them the consequences, and they continue!

I won't rat on them or turn them in, but I'll damn sure let them know what they are doing is illegal and what I think of it!

I've never bought nor sold a firearm privately.

Same here, and I never will.....

Me^^^^

Rare for me, but I've done it a few times. Off the top of my head, I can remember eight times buying guns in private, face to face, sales. Four times with neighbors (maybe five).
twice with my brother. Twice with someone I met at the range.

Person to person transfer of long guns, ie rifles and shotguns (private sales) are legal in Pennsylvania. Handguns must be done through a dealership, which means the state has a back door registration in place.
I have no doubt that every dealer transaction involving the 4473 goes into a database. Probably since HW Bush was President. I also imagine that purchases of ammo and components through credit cards is tracked as well. I make it a habit to buy things like that with cash whenever possible.
Private sales is the “Gun Show Loophole” that the news and politicians are always yammering about. The truth is that banning private sales allows the government to run a backdoor registration of every single firearm. Who’s got what and how many. Something every good police state needs to have!
Most folks around this area are familiar with Lieghty’s Flea Market near Altoona. Up until last year there were always longguns and quite a bit of ammunition available there.
This year they banned private sales of guns and ammo. Judging from the last couple trips I made there, it’s now half of what it was before!
I haven’t studied the thread in question. Am I missing something?
7mm

I look them up on arrests.org before I do any business. It's public info, and in no way illegal that I know of

Oh, I was supposed to say I never did it?

I wasn't being coy or facetious in my initial reply.

So you weren't doing another version of the tragic boating accident story?

Nope. Just always thought that like a parachute - buying something used that explodes at 10's of thousands of PSI right next to my lips or in my hands - I want new predominantly and if I must go used - from someone (a store) who has heavy liability reasons to ensure things are pretty decent before selling them to the public.

Learned me something, didn’t know that. Thanks

I would be interested to hear more about how you think this is happening. If the 4473 is filled out hard copy, when doing the NICS check they ask if you are purchasing a handgun, long gun or both. The form is stored at the FFL premises. How is "Big Brother" getting make, model and serial number into the secret "Database"?

I bought a machine gun loaded with tranquilizers...

A Snuzi.

I’ve been legally buying and selling firearms privately (and legally) for almost three decades. Just one of the perks of living in a relatively free state.

I can’t prove one way or the other. However in TN the TBI or FBI performs the background checks (TICS) via online means and it’s not that far fetched the FBI or another federal agency could be mining the data any way they see fit. Looking for terrorists and such...

Yeah I have done just that my entire life.

Then you've never sold a gun?

I guess I can understand your logic. That is not a requirement here and I was unaware that some states had their own system. Thanks.