I did not go back and read about 10 pages but I assume it was brought up. Where were this kids parents ? Did he have a good father figure in his life ? This is a huge issue that has been getting worse over the years.
kwg
It is the issue. Damn near every mass school shooter has been from a fatherless home. There has been (and still is) a massive war against men and boys in this country that is the primary driver behind these damaged and disaffected young men attempting to get attention for themselves by committing mass murder but no one wants to acknowledge that this is the real source if the problem. Kids were taking guns to school for show-and-tell 60 years ago and everyone had an M1 carbine in their closet and no one was doing mass shootings back then. What has changed? We've destroyed the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. We've driven fathers from the home and millions of boys have grown up (and are growing up) without the civilizing effects of good fathers. There are lots and lots of programs and preferences for girls in society and the school system but boys are continually marginalized, as are men (we're part of the damned and evil patriarchy remember?). Mass school shootings are a symptom of a societal disease---the destruction of the family with a father at the head and the constant marginalization and putting down of men and boys. Leftism brought us this. Warren Farrel has it pegged.
Just heard Betoz interruption as played on the Clay and Buck show. Sounded like the crowds reaction to him might require him an escort to get out of town.
Well, some of us are pretty toxic (according to certain folks)
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
These fugging kids are relentless these days. They would just as soon tell each other to kill themselves than say hello.
Yep, no escape 24/7, everything said about a kid, every image, every video broadcast to the whole world, at least it feels that way.
Parents taking away their Cell Phones and Computers would probably solve a lot of problems. But that’ll never happen. Hell, if they did do that, and took away their Video Games, half the kids would probably kill them self’s. They all think they can’t live without it.
Most of the kids I see nowadays that are HS aged are fat, lazy, and have probably never spent a day of their life’s playing outside. Much less hunting, or fishing. I blame most of that on Parenting. Or lack of. They give them phones, computers, TV’s and Video Games as a form of babysitting, so the selfish idiot “parents” don’t have to deal with them. Sad state of affairs.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
Anyone watching the presser by Texas Gov , ? Beto just created a scene and got escorted from the room
I’d like to see a video of that. POS Gay Beto is the same kinda perv that the Shooter was. Only difference is he’s got money.
Somebody should have tripped Beto and let Gov Abbott run over that POS multiple times with his Wheelchair. Guaranteed that ole Hot Wheels will kick the schitt out of Gay Beto on Election Day. Only way Abbott loses is if the DemoRat’s figure out how to steal the TX State Election.
They are still live. You can go back on the live video and see the idiot, and the disruption.
Thanks Barry !
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
The shooter had to walk 400 feet after crashing his truck (quite an impact it appears & airbags deployed) to get in the nearest door to the school. Just a face full of airbag would've been enough to discombobulate most folks, not to mention whatever effects from vehicle impact. But still managed to walk a minimum of 400 feet to start the whole deal. Looks like from recent imagery the school had installed a new driveway near where the truck crashed. Prior to this, the school showed to be fenced and gated with a sign on the nearest gate stating, visitors must get a pass from the office.
Lots of what if's. What if the new drive wasn't there, what if a SRO would've been in the office 400 feet away to witness the crash and shooter exit vehicle with firearms....
This is something I wanted to post here before I forget it. I posted this on ARFCOM: Social pressure and religion kept a lot of people in check. Since Roe v Wade the self imposed restrictions on taking away innocent life has melted away. For those who do not believe in heaven or hell there is no fear of the "next life". Throw in absentee fathers or addicted mothers, untreated mental health issues and violent video games you have what you see now. It was just a matter of time. I think all of this was intentional by the political left "because guns are evil and they must all go away".
I see something that could be voluntary and that would be gun makers self impose restrictions on kids under 21 by refusing to sell semi auto's to anyone under 21.
Just to throw one other variable into the mix. In 1982 we had a local paper boy kidnapped in the Des Moines metro. He was never seen again. 2 years to the month there was a 2nd paper boy kidnapped and he was never seen again. After the first kidnapping the morning paper boys were almost non existent. It took several months but eventually the paper boys returned. After the 2nd kidnapping the morning paper boys completely disappeared. Mostly retired adults took the job over.
The same issue with kids walking to school. After the first paper boy disappeared not many kids walked to school. Thier parents took them to school. After the 2nd paper boy disappeared, no kids walked to school. The parents insisted that their children be dropped off at the front door of the school house. That continues today. Very few kids walk to school almost 40 years later.
The risk of losing a child to a kidnapper was just too unbearable to stand and parents made sure the kids got into the school building and they would block traffic just to make sure their child got inside. Now we have the armed intruders. The parents are going to insist that something be done. Gun control is probably going to be one of them. Now would be the time for voluntary steps by gun companies to make sure the new owner is not an 18 year old and still has a connection to the local school district. I realize that would not have stopped the Buffalo shooter but this would be voluntary by the gun makers.
kwg
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For liberals and anarchists, power and control is opium, selling envy is the fastest and easiest way to get it. TRR. American conservative. Never trust a white liberal. Malcom X Current NRA member.
This is something I wanted to post here before I forget it. I posted this on ARFCOM: Social pressure and religion kept a lot of people in check. Since Roe v Wade the self imposed restrictions on taking away innocent life has melted away. For those who do not believe in heaven or hell there is no fear of the "next life". Throw in absentee fathers or addicted mothers, untreated mental health issues and violent video games you have what you see now. It was just a matter of time. I think all of this was intentional by the political left "because guns are evil and they must all go away".
I see something that could be voluntary and that would be gun makers self impose restrictions on kids under 21 by refusing to sell semi auto's to anyone under 21.
If that's the case, we should make sure they can't vote until they are 21 or join the military. Hell, they already can't buy a beer and most places tobacco.
I did not go back and read about 10 pages but I assume it was brought up. Where were this kids parents ? Did he have a good father figure in his life ? This is a huge issue that has been getting worse over the years.
kwg
There's a whole thread about father figures on here recently.
The goodness of those father figures varies to a large extent from a really OK dude to a really violent bastid.
Something besides a father figure in the home might have been a reason why those of us who had one shading toward the latter version in my previous sentence didn't take the readily available firearms to school or some other public venue to start slaughtering others.
The father figure in the home might be a part of the issue, but methinks there's something else going on too.
When folks say well if they had a father figure in their life, they turn out to be good kids. I shake my head how many are raised in a home with violent parent(s). Some kids will push through and go on to live a good decent life while other/majority will fail become addicts either drug or alcohol in most cases both. When treatment or alternative methods are mentioned to be taught in school like teaching kids to be resilient and overcome obstacles in a positive manner it’s met by ah that’s bull chit. Just spank them or back to the ol if they had a father figure to teach them to be a man blah blah. No mention from the crowd here about the kid in upstate New York and his family he had a mother and father still shot up a store. Or how about Ethan Crumbley parents In Michigan. We have a mental health crisis. Every state is critically short mental health providers.
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Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
I did not go back and read about 10 pages but I assume it was brought up. Where were this kids parents ? Did he have a good father figure in his life ? This is a huge issue that has been getting worse over the years.
kwg
There's a whole thread about father figures on here recently.
The goodness of those father figures varies to a large extent from a really OK dude to a really violent bastid.
Something besides a father figure in the home might have been a reason why those of us who had one shading toward the latter version in my previous sentence didn't take the readily available firearms to school or some other public venue to start slaughtering others.
The father figure in the home might be a part of the issue, but methinks there's something else going on too.
When folks say well if they had a father figure in their life, they turn out to be good kids. I shake my head how many are raised in a home with violent parent(s). Some kids will push through and go on to live a good decent life while other/majority will fail become addicts either drug or alcohol in most cases both. When treatment or alternative methods are mentioned to be taught in school like teaching kids to be resilient and overcome obstacles in a positive manner it’s met by ah that’s bull chit. Just spank them or back to the ol if they had a father figure to teach them to be a man blah blah. No mention from the crowd here about the kid in upstate New York and his family he had a mother and father still shot up a store. Or how about Ethan Crumbley parents In Michigan. We have a mental health crisis. Every state is critically short mental health providers.
Lotta truth in what you say. I know in my case it seemed like most of the other guys around had issues similar to mine, but we "worked thru" them without knowing that's what we were doing. Seemed like most kids had a pretty "strict" father.
Bullying? I guess we all bullied each other, some to a slightly greater extent than others. Jeez, I was tied up by my ankles to a T bar clothesline with my head barely reaching the ground for what seemed like an hour until my buddy's mom came home and found me out back. She didn't seem to perplexed, just kid scheidt I guess.
A good number of us ended up partying a bit too much at times, some died because of it, others matured their way out in one way or another. But, there was plenty of guns in unlocked closets by the door, and ammo on a shelf we all could reach, and .22s going on HS archaeology digs with us and I don't recall one gun ever being brought to our HS. (which just so happened to have the third highest number of HS drug busts in the State one year, so drugs might not be the problem either)
Not sure what the answer is, but since the closing of the majority of mental institutions (Thanks Ronny Raygun) a lot more loonies might be out there raising kids, and with budget cuts and such, as you say there is a substantial shortfall of providers, for kids and adults.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
Or how many parents take little Johnny or Suzy to see a mental health provider after one visit the parents deem their little sweetheart is cured. Or how many parent get to the hospital and the dr says their kid overdosed and they are detoxing and they need counseling. But the parent say no they are detoxed they are fine.. 5 months later kid strung out on whatever landed them in the ER the first time. Majority of parents are in denial that they are chitty parents and don’t want to be told they are. So first opportunity they run from the counseling that could help their kid(s).
Originally Posted by Bricktop
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
You know all of those liberals displaying their Ukraine flags. They were happy for US gun makers to send guns to Ukraine so its citizens could defend themselves from a hostile Russia.
News reports are saying the murderer got access to the school through an unlocked outside access door to an empty half of a classroom area. The classroom area being divided in half by a folding screen (prob’ly attached to the ceiling) that could be slid away to use the whole area at once.
That access door may have been unlocked/propped open for convenience or may have simply failed to close properly the last time it was opened (custodians usually check that access doors are locked at the end of the day).
Several hundred kids in that school, the murder confined to one classroom. The emergency school lockdown procedures (cleared hallways, locked doors, no inside windows) may have otherwise worked well.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
(according to certain folks)
