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I've had a Bushnell holosight years ago, an eotech, and various cheap red dots.
I'm going to buy a 16" upper to replace a 10.5" upper in case it becomes a bad nono to have.
It's gonna be a flat top, and I'd like to put a red or green, something or other on it.
I like eotechs, but I haven't kept up on new red dots.
Is there a sight that wouldn't be so fuzzy or multiple dots out there now ?
I don't want cheap, but I don't need tier 1 either.

I'm thinking maybe going 9mm, using Glock mags too.
Home defense, RV defense, plinking, etc.

What do I need ??

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isn't' your astigmatism corrected with glasses or contacts? this helps but mine was never fully corrected and after eye surgery its still not fully gone. the purpose of a red dot is point and shoot. IMO its not meant to be a precise aiming point. if that is the use don't sweat the fact the dot isn't perfectly round.

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Have you tried a prism sight? They focus like a scope, plus the light can be turned off leaving a black etched reticle that is sharper than the usual red dot, so more precise. The etched reticle means they work without batteries in a pinch. They come in 1x, plus magnified versions. The downside is they have limited eye relief just like a scope.

Go to a retail location and try one out, focused to your vision.


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I can still pass an eye exam with out corrective lens. I use cheaters to read, reload, see small print, etc.
Regular life, I don't need glasses.
I'll look at prisms.

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Etched reticle will help significantly with a astigmatism as Pappy mentioned


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I think my astigmatism is something like 3 degrees if I remember correctly. is yours worse than that?

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No idea. Never asked or was told at an exam.

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Originally Posted by splattermatic
I can still pass an eye exam with out corrective lens. I use cheaters to read, reload, see small print, etc.
Regular life, I don't need glasses.
I'll look at prisms.

An eye exam for a driver's license or the 20/20 chart while you're in the optometrist's/ophthalmologist's office? I have -2.25 diopters of Astig. and -.25 spherical (which is virtually nothing). I'm 20/40 uncorrected and can read the chart well enough that I don't "need" corrective lenses to pass my driver's license exam.

From a hunting/shooting perspective however, correcting my Astig to 20/20 clears up the "edges" of everything and I spot a LOT more game and see targets much more sharply w/my glasses on vs. off. The proper lens material can make a big difference w/correcting astigmatism as well. Polycarbonate/1.59 REALLY sucks for correcting astigmatism vs. Trivex/1.53. Plain old CR-39/1.50 plastic is optically excellent as well but doesn't offer the impact resistance of Trivex or Poly.

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I think my astigmatism is something like 3 degrees if I remember correctly. is yours worse than that?

The axis to correct your astigmatism might be +/-3 degrees from 0, 90, or 180, but the amount of correction would be measured in diopters not degrees.

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Ah...
I'll put my glasses I have on, and look through a red dot I have laying around.

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My guess is that you were told you have 3 steps of astigmatism. Steps are usually .25 diopters per step so you might have .75 of astigmatism. As you said thats a pretty mild rx and can take it or leave it for most situations. Night driving and red dots are the 2 biggest exceptions. Dean

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Guess I'm going to use a 2-8 x scope, and add a mini dot on the side or top....
No suggestions, so doing my own investigating of options.

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Astigmatism is different for everyone, regardless of how minor or how bad, everyone sees the dot slightly different. We could make a recommendation, but ultimately it may or may not work for you.

This was my solution:

BH Red Dot Tac Optics Lil P Prism BLK Circle Dot BDC Hi Rise 5L (1/20-1324)
Item #: BHBT71XPS

I ended up giving the rifle to my sister during hysteria prior to the election. Bushnell discontinued it and I haven't found a suitable replacement that works for me for my next build.


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You can always get a 1x or 2x prism scope.


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I'm looking at them !!
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Some of the prism scopes have a short eye relief, be sure to check it out.

The Holosun 507 and 503 work well for my eyes.


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