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The City of Uvalde and the CISD & CISD Police have stopped cooperating with Texas Rangers investigating... It seems when the DPS shed light on the timelines and who was in charge of everything, they have shut up, stopped cooperating and lawyered up. https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-police-school-shooting-cooperationUvalde, Texas police cooperating with state in school shooting probe, district PD chief not respondingPete Arredondo, the Uvalde school district police chief, has reportedly not responded to Texas Rangers in two days for a follow-up interview. While the Uvalde, Texas police department and local school district police have cooperated with state Department of Public Safety investigators into the massacre that killed 19 children and two teachers at an elementary school and the law enforcement response, the chief of the school police has not responded to a request for a follow-up interview. The Uvalde Police Department and Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District police force have been talking to authorities, a Texas Department of Public Safety spokesman said. Local authorities have come under pressure since a Friday press conference in which Steven McCraw, the head of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said the delayed police response to the mass shooting was "the wrong decision." Pete Arredondo, the Uvalde school district police chief, has not responded to Texas Rangers in two days for a follow-up interview from his initial statements following the shooting, a DPS spokesperson told Fox News in a statement. "The Uvalde Police Department and Uvalde CISD Police have been cooperating with investigators," the statement said. "The chief of the Uvalde CISD Police provided an initial interview but has not responded to a request for a followup interview with the Texas Rangers that was made two days ago." Arredondo reportedly made the decision to not immediately confront suspected shooter Salvador Ramos, 18, at Robb Elementary School during his rampage last week. Authorities waited in a school hallway for nearly 50 minutes before breaching a classroom door. McCraw said that Arredondo thought the situation had transitioned from an active shooter to a barricaded subject, and that they had time to wait for tactical equipment and keys to unlock the classroom's door. The police response as well as the flow of inaccurate information by law enforcement in the days after have generated criticism from parents of the victims as well as officials who had praised authorities immediately afterward. Lt. Gov. Patrick told Fox News on Saturday that law enforcement's choice not to immediately confront the shooter was a "bad decision, and that decision cost lives." "No one mentioned the fact that there was this 45 minute-to-an-hour hold by the chief of the police of the school district while there were still shots being fired," Patrick said.
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It sounds like a lawyer's dream.
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Schools, governments, and people can do everything right 99.9% of the time and it only takes that .01% for the bad guy to get lucky. Like a teacher going to her car to get her cell phone and propping a door open. That was about the dumbest move I have ever seen by trained "professional". Next to waiting 40 minutes in a hallway.
kwg Too fat to walk around the building to get back in.
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Schools, governments, and people can do everything right 99.9% of the time and it only takes that .01% for the bad guy to get lucky. Like a teacher going to her car to get her cell phone and propping a door open. That was about the dumbest move I have ever seen by trained "professional". Next to waiting 40 minutes in a hallway.
kwg Too fat to walk around the building to get back in. Wouldn’t surprise me. The evening news said the teacher went outside to get food. Hopefully it wasn’t for a damn smoke break.
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Any time a locked door is the shortest way between point A and point B, people are gonna prop it open.
Only way to stop it is have an alarm. How about a school district policy? You block a locked door open, you're fired! How do fire a student?
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Did the classroom have shatterproof windows?
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As a retired state trooper and now a school police officer , something is not right w this. In my school the teachers just don’t walk away from their class rooms and open doors. Every door in my building has an alarm that is sent to no less than 3 ppl when the door is open. Lots happened here I can not understand.
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The door... amongst so many other details... stink up the whole scenario.
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It sounds like a lawyer's dream. It sounds like a Federalo's dream.
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FullFan--maybe the teacher didn't have a class that period or was on a "prep period".
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Now they are saying the door wasn’t propped open, it was shut - but not locked. Seems like some CYA stuff going on.
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Surprising. Secure doors generally will lock to prevent outside entry but allow exit from inside for fire code etc. Doubt the door could be opened from the outside unless the latching mechanism did not engage, i.e. the door was never really shut. It couldn’t shut without locking.
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Now they are saying the door wasn’t propped open, it was shut - but not locked. Seems like some CYA stuff going on. It is harder to hit a moving target.
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Any time a locked door is the shortest way between point A and point B, people are gonna prop it open.
Only way to stop it is have an alarm. Still no word on who that dumb fugk teacher was.
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Now they are saying the door wasn’t propped open, it was shut - but not locked. Seems like some CYA stuff going on. It is harder to hit a moving target. Lying. Trying to keep that teacher from getting killed. He should be stoned to death.
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Any time a locked door is the shortest way between point A and point B, people are gonna prop it open.
Only way to stop it is have an alarm. How about a school district policy? You block a locked door open, you're fired! ^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Schools must be run that way!!! Otherwise who ever blocks the door is involved in the crime, wittingly or unwittingly. Bingo!!! Even stupid ass teachers could figure that out.
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How do we know if the door was open or not?
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Schools, governments, and people can do everything right 99.9% of the time and it only takes that .01% for the bad guy to get lucky. Like a teacher going to her car to get her cell phone and propping a door open. That was about the dumbest move I have ever seen by trained "professional". Next to waiting 40 minutes in a hallway.
kwg Its no coincidence that 0.01% schiett keeps happening over and over again. So what if the freaking door didnt close and lock, if the cops had charged in less kids would have bled out. Why were the cops told to stand down with kids calling and shots being fired. Such stupidity isnt a coincidence, its planned and fabricated. They have manufactured excuses to protect the teacher and SRO. Where is video of the back door? How did perp know to go to the back door and no others? He didnt even try the front door. Just for once try and take the 40,000 ft view and connect sone dots. There are NO COINCIDENCES
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As a retired state trooper and now a school police officer , something is not right w this. In my school the teachers just don’t walk away from their class rooms and open doors. Every door in my building has an alarm that is sent to no less than 3 ppl when the door is open. Lots happened here I can not understand. Well, dont disagree with the MSM and official BS line. Youll be classified as a conspiracy theorist. Not me. I think a martian just happened by and opened that door.
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