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We might as well start off with a bang.
Chapter 1 will be Sir Jerry's safari in
BOOK OF THE .458 WINCHESTER MAGNUM.


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Sir Ron,
I'm Lovin that!


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Thanks to this thread I have been inspired to get a 458 Win Safari Model 70 and it's been so much fun! It's a 1MOA shooter with TSX bullets, both 300 grainers at 2667 and H4198 and 350 grainers at 2480 and H322. It's also MOA with 400 grain A-Frames at 2400+ and H322. Way more fun to shoot than the 500 grain factory and they penetrate like crazy! What a great fire-arm and cartridge combo but I am only getting 2 MOA with the 400 Branes Original Spitzers and though they mangle up on close range hits they do expand past 200 yards. Pretty versatile rig and one of my most fun firearms. Thanks folks!

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Sir Tony, yep, we are going to make a book out of the movie instead of making a movie out of the book.
Sir Jerry is doing the screen play which will be adapted to book form.
Johnny Depp need not apply for casting.
Sir Jerry has it covered.
Hope Johnny stays sober and busy with suing the Washington Post and ACLU next.
BTW, my Wife lived next door to Johnny when he was a baby in diapers, before he got weird.
I bet Amber Heard has learned a lesson:
Never poop where you sleep, and for sure don't lie in it nor lie about everything else.


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Originally Posted by North61
Thanks to this thread I have been inspired to get a 458 Win Safari Model 70 and it's been so much fun! It's a 1MOA shooter with TSX bullets, both 300 grainers at 2667 and H4198 and 350 grainers at 2480 and H322. It's also MOA with 400 grain A-Frames at 2400+ and H322. Way more fun to shoot than the 500 grain factory and they penetrate like crazy! What a great fire-arm and cartridge combo but I am only getting 2 MOA with the 400 Branes Original Spitzers and though they mangle up on close range hits they do expand past 200 yards. Pretty versatile rig and one of my most fun firearms. Thanks folks!


North61,
Buy a donkey. That is worthy of Knighthood. Pick your Sir Name, please.
As Hand of King .458 Winchester I keep the roll of membership at The Square Table.


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LOL Sirs Ron and Tony, i'll be laying those 404 Hammers at 2500 fps right where they need to be.

North61, welcome aboard Sir, those 300gr tsx at near 2700 fps would do it all.


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Yup.

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A cast bullet meant for the .461 Gibbs muzzleloader made the transition to smokeless cartridge, in the .458 WinMag.

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That was an actual bullet diameter for grease-lubed,
and the muzzleloader bore diameter was .461" also.
Paper-patched slicks would be patched up to .461" diameter also.
The smack of BP obturated the rear third of the bullet into the grooves,
and the front two thirds of the bullet became a bore rider.
The same system was used in the .461 Gibbs BPCR
where bore was .461" and groove was about .471".

Much simpler in the .458 WinMag where a .461" bullet is simply squeezed down by the more gradual burn of smokeless.
.461" bullet goes into .458"-.459" groove diameter and .450"-.451" bore diameter.

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Can be fine-tuned to your rifle.


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250 to 600+ grains, the 458 WM+ does it all, very good work Sir Ron.


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Yes Sir, Very Good Work!


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Truly accurate and effective rifle shooting for sport (target and hunting) has been dominated by the .45-bore from its beginnings.
Circa 1850 to now is about 170 years of dominance, from muzzleloader to BPCR to current smokeless breechloaders.
Since there is nothing on the horizon to suggest otherwise, the .458 WinMag will likely still be top of the heap for the bicentennial.


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A few mileposts on the road to the .458 Winchester Magnum, found in catalogs and histories:

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Rimfire transitioned to centerfire circa 1866 with the .50-70 Gov't. leading to the .45-70 Gov't. of 1873,
and all the Sharps and Remington, etc., cartridges galore.
Even though the UK held onto their muzzleloader target rifles longer than we did,
they had similar developments in sporting and military cartridges,
most notably the BPE of .450 bore and 3-1/4" case length that became the .450 NE.
More fun along the way:

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One hilarious side trip on this roadtrip was the Winchester bomb below: 200 grains of BP !

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Finally, smokeless in the .30-40 Krag, same as with the .303 British transition from BP:

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Funny how Winchester started doing the belted brass case before H&H did it.
The .458 Winchester should be seen as having more of a purely American heritage.


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Interesting cartridge for a lever action M1886 or later M71 that could have been ?

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So, John Rigby proved the ballistics requirement to put away the ponderous big bores of the past:

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And Winchester replaced the ponderous-for-other-reasons double rifles with a practical bolt action repeater.
It still cannot be beat.
Seeking to do so is a sure sign of bore envy.


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More good stuff "RIP"!!!


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Mauser M98 or Winchester M70 or Ruger M77 with fast twist will see the .458 Winchester Magnum into the future
with single loaded VLD rounds for target and long range hunting,
and suppressed squib loads.
Magazine loading of SAAMI loads for everything else except loading cast bullets in fast twist is not cool.
Not in the .458 Winchester Magnum or any rifle.
So, no flies on the standard SAAMI .458 WinMag.


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Sir Tony,
Buy another donkey for those flowers.
With your new barn there will be room.

BTW, another reason to do a 1:10" twist .458 WinMag
is because the SAAMI standard twist for the .458 Lott is 1:10"
and we must leave no stone unturned in demonstrating the superiority of the .458 WinMag.
It is unfair in some cases to compare a 1:14" .458 WinMag to a 1:10" .458 Lott.

Lottites are handicapped in cast bullet shooting by both the short and tight throat,
that cannot even chamber a cast bullet of .461" diameter exposed above the case mouth,
as well as the fast twist handicap that is not the best with cast bullets.

The coned up breech of the .458 WinMag does well with cast and jacketed, all bullets,
including allowing .458 WM+ loads of 3.6" length with jacketed and monometals
that are both faster and lower pressure than in the .458 Lott.
This latter fact needs to be emphasized by also doing it with the fast twist "handicap"
in a .458 Winchester Magnum.
Lottite apologists must have no excuses.

The 1:10" .458 WinMag test rifle will be allowed the triple SAAMI whammie.
Longer COL,
higher pressure,
faster twist.
All the same as for a .458 Lott aka the ".458 Lot O' Trouble."


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All true Sir Ron and lead me to do exactly what i just finished this morning, i went to ""The Alter of the SAAMI spec'd 458 WM"" to see just how much i could do at 3.340" and 500grs of Partition bullet fueled by AA-2460 powder, pics on the way, it was/is indeed eye opening LOL, so all the saami spec'd 458 men out there, be not dismayed, if you have a drop tube, some Accurate 2460 powder and 500grs of copper and lead you too can drive 2298 fps if you see the need.

IIRC Hodgdons site calls the 74gr charge of Accurate 2460 under 500 grainers at 53,000 psi, not 55, not 58, not 60, not 65K like the little 308 and 270 Winchester, and not a primer pocket swelling 75K, a lowly 53K, the 458 WM is truly a remarkable chambering, i have no pressure testing eq, but do remember the primers from the 450gr TSX and 500gr TBSS looked great at 2418 fps and 2350 fps respectively and the pockets are still tight, those loads happily eat 83gr 2460 with col's in the 3.560-3.580 inch neighborhood.

I would have never thought of even trying for near 2300 fps with any 500gr bullet in my old FN saami length Browning, i had already loaded a literal chit-ton of 500gr partitions at 2166 with H-335 long before hearing about 2460 powder or having the pleasure of meeting Sir Ron, but as you'll see on the target box, those old loads are accurate hammers, the 50 yard bullseye was hit with a 500gr TBSS at 2200 fps with 2460 powder and the factory barrel sights, i gave it a bit more speed to run with the 500gr pointer partitions to land within the group at 100 with the scope, which it handily does, i shot it first, then screwed the scope back on with QD rings for the 100 yard group with the 500gr partitions, also, how's that for a return to zero setup? ; ]

If one wanted to shoot the 500gr partitions or 500gr PP Woodleighs when they resume production at 2300 fps, or the 450gr TSX's at 2400+ fps you'd easily have ALL game load to 300-350+ yards, the 404 Hammers at 2500 would give you 400 yards if you know your drops, that's pretty damn versatile.


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you are going to have to drop a few numbers in your name . gunner 458WM😁

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