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How many ground floor classroom walls, with or without windows, can handle being rammed by a patrol car at full throttle? No master key required. Once that hole is made, any cop with a pair of balls bigger than Spanish peanuts ought to be able to lay down enough rounds to eliminate the threat.

You’re Border Patrol, you’ve been to Uvalde, what would you have done different that most of them did on the scene that day?

You’re Border Patrol, you’ve been to Uvalde, what would you have done different that most of them did on the scene that day?

I've got no room for the MSM and narcissist have hated me all my life.

Horseschidt! do you even read before you post. Kids being slaughtered in schools is not a new thing. Since Columbine and Beslan the problem and solution have been identified. A realistic response has been watered down by school people and politicians catering to the unicorn riders. It is well established and, in most areas SOP, that the 1st guys w/ guns take the most basic entry tools and find and kill the shooter w/out delay. Until that mission is accomplished every LEO responding has the same task. Command centers, evacuation, EMS are separate issues and best left for the period following the death of the shooter. Large schools present bigger problems that require more cops but the #1 priority never changes.

The good idea fairies complicate an issue that can be solved by letting the Alphas hunt.

YMMV... SNORK



mike r

I read this entire thread and the only thing that is clear is that deflave is a pathetic tool.
My BIL has been in the commercial door business for almost 40 years and I talked to him
about this. He has installed steel doors in schools all over Texas and adjacent states. And
has also done construction for a lot of businesses that need secure access and strong doors.
He said that there are varying levels frame strengths. Some are damned near break
in proof,depending on the locks. He's a very opinionated man and is pissed that so many
kids died in Uvavde but is cautious about blaming the police.
Until the facts come out, I'm not blaming anyone but the shooter.

Enter the school and kill the evil POS

What happened to "See something, say something"? I've seen reports that this guy was posting on social media? Did no one that read his posts report them to school or LE for review? Why didn't these teenage kids report these posts?

I read this entire thread and the only thing that is clear is that deflave is a pathetic tool.
My BIL has been in the commercial door business for almost 40 years and I talked to him
about this. He has installed steel doors in schools all over Texas and adjacent states. And
has also done construction for a lot of businesses that need secure access and strong doors.
He said that there are varying levels frame strengths. Some are damned near break
in proof,depending on the locks. He's a very opinionated man and is pissed that so many
kids died in Uvavde but is cautious about blaming the police.
Until the facts come out, I'm not blaming anyone but the shooter.

Bullschit.
Steel framed fire rated doors are tough, but the lock/dead bolt/ backset, are weak and very, very easy to breach.

If the door swings out, pull the hing pins, if it swings in, destroy the lock.

If the walls are of modern construction, sheet rock and steel studs, cut a [bleep] hole in the wall with a utility knife or sawsall.

The reason they didn’t breach the door is because they didn’t want to breach the door, simple as that.

In my experience as an LEO, the officers that take SRO assignments are women and lazy officers who want off of the street. That’s the hard reality of it. All of the other guys with LEO experience around here will back me up on this. It’s BS, but that’s how it is. In my years as a cop I never saw a hard charging type A take an SRO job. The administrators don’t want that type of officer tuning up their incorrigible students.

Ron

In my experience as an LEO, the officers that take SRO assignments are women and lazy officers who want off of the street. That’s the hard reality of it. All of the other guys with LEO experience around here will back me up on this. It’s BS, but that’s how it is. In my years as a cop I never saw a hard charging type A take an SRO job. The administrators don’t want that type of officer tuning up their incorrigible students.

Ron