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Ive seen here what the gruff man is saying. Alaska is good enough to work, collect a paycheck, and accrue a publicly-funded pension. At retirement, I’ve seen more than “some” quickly sell their home and lots of possessions, and head south.

Irks me some. See my sig line. 😉


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Originally Posted by Hammerdown
Lots of hate for the people of California. Gee casting stones, one should look in the mirror. Lots of good people in this this state, not everyone votes like they're morons. People are starting to think voter fraud is going on.
I used to live in Montana, it's a great place to live and grow up in and recreate it's kind of hard to make a living at times.
This is why my wife and I move to California. Great Jobs, if you want to work. Sent our kiddos to collage (2) they both have degrees, good jobs and doing well.
People with so much hate in their hearts must have a terrible life. Not sure with that point. Just a guess.

Take care, wishing y'all the best.


For the record, I'm not bashing Caliotos. Though they make up the supermajority, I'm bashing the pussies that didn't want to live here when they had to make a living, but retire here with beaucoup bucks and fûck everything up. In my experience that encompasses a few states , predominantly CA, NY, WA, and a couple others. That's not in any way to slander the good folks still living there that are fighting the good fight, or even the folks that move to make a better life and ACTUALLY FIT IN AND CAN APPRECIATE IT FOR WHAT IT IS WITHOUT [bleep] IT UP. The dual home owners, the pussy snowbirds, the effete "I live in Montana (3 weeks out of the year when your not sucking dicks back home)"

As BlackHeart noted, it's not unique to MT, its everywhere that used to be a nice place to work, live, and be free.

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Worse then snowbirds are transplants. Doesn’t matter how long you have been in Montana you are still a transplant. Watching transplants gripe about other transplants is always entertaining.

What is annoying is transplants always seem to think they bring some unique, redeemable quality to Montana. Well they don’t. They are just transplants. Natives don’t mush care for transplants.

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Originally Posted by losttrail60
Worse then snowbirds are transplants. Doesn’t matter how long you have been in Montana you are still a transplant. Watching transplants gripe about other transplants is always entertaining.

What is annoying is transplants always seem to think they bring some unique, redeemable quality to Montana. Well they don’t. They are just transplants. Natives don’t mush care for transplants.


lol. Which Rez do you collect your welfare on stud? Did you move and make a life for yourself somewhere or did you take over the fry bread/meth booth from your cuzzin?


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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Worse then snowbirds are transplants. Doesn’t matter how long you have been in Montana you are still a transplant. Watching transplants gripe about other transplants is always entertaining.

What is annoying is transplants always seem to think they bring some unique, redeemable quality to Montana. Well they don’t. They are just transplants. Natives don’t mush care for transplants.


lol. Which Rez do you collect your welfare on stud? Did you move and make a life for yourself somewhere or did you take over the fry bread/meth booth from your cuzzin?


I didn’t come from Pennsylvania that’s for sure!

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Originally Posted by losttrail60
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Originally Posted by losttrail60
Worse then snowbirds are transplants. Doesn’t matter how long you have been in Montana you are still a transplant. Watching transplants gripe about other transplants is always entertaining.

What is annoying is transplants always seem to think they bring some unique, redeemable quality to Montana. Well they don’t. They are just transplants. Natives don’t mush care for transplants.


lol. Which Rez do you collect your welfare on stud? Did you move and make a life for yourself somewhere or did you take over the fry bread/meth booth from your cuzzin?


I didn’t come from Pennsylvania that’s for sure!

Hahahaha looks like Gruff got under someone's skin.... smile


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Worse then snowbirds are transplants. Doesn’t matter how long you have been in Montana you are still a transplant. Watching transplants gripe about other transplants is always entertaining.

What is annoying is transplants always seem to think they bring some unique, redeemable quality to Montana. Well they don’t. They are just transplants. Natives don’t mush care for transplants.


lol. Which Rez do you collect your welfare on stud? Did you move and make a life for yourself somewhere or did you take over the fry bread/meth booth from your cuzzin?


I didn’t come from Pennsylvania that’s for sure!

Hahahaha looks like Gruff got under someone's skin.... smile

At least I’m honest enough to say where I’m from and where I live. The other poster hasn’t deigned to do the same. wink.


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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Worse then snowbirds are transplants. Doesn’t matter how long you have been in Montana you are still a transplant. Watching transplants gripe about other transplants is always entertaining.

What is annoying is transplants always seem to think they bring some unique, redeemable quality to Montana. Well they don’t. They are just transplants. Natives don’t mush care for transplants.


lol. Which Rez do you collect your welfare on stud? Did you move and make a life for yourself somewhere or did you take over the fry bread/meth booth from your cuzzin?


I didn’t come from Pennsylvania that’s for sure!

Hahahaha looks like Gruff got under someone's skin.... smile

At least I’m honest enough to say where I’m from and where I live. The other poster hasn’t deigned to do the same. wink.

Seems to be a reoccurring theme... not doing so sets off the troll alarm


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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That’s some stupid old Boomer mentality right there. You’re a cawk sulking transplant! How stupid do you have to be to fault some one for moving from where they were born? Fugking bag of hammers


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Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Worse then snowbirds are transplants. Doesn’t matter how long you have been in Montana you are still a transplant. Watching transplants gripe about other transplants is always entertaining.

What is annoying is transplants always seem to think they bring some unique, redeemable quality to Montana. Well they don’t. They are just transplants. Natives don’t mush care for transplants.


lol. Which Rez do you collect your welfare on stud? Did you move and make a life for yourself somewhere or did you take over the fry bread/meth booth from your cuzzin?


I didn’t come from Pennsylvania that’s for sure!

Hahahaha looks like Gruff got under someone's skin.... smile


Na, I just refuse to suffer a fool.

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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
billygoat gruff: So you are alright with the cancer that has befallen kalifornicationkopia and threatens to spread to every other state in the union?
If so, YOU are an idiot.
My advice to you and perhaps YOU are not smart enough to take it - is this: read this article, learn from it and fight the cancer that is kalifornicationkopia at every opportunity - or stick your head back up your ass and live with the consequences.
I've been in Montana for 24 1/2 years now and have fought off demonrats, liberals and kalifornicationkopian like politicians and judges at every opportunity I have had.
I am proud of my past!
Can YOU say the same?
Mr. Victor Davis Hanson has written and exceptionally excellent article if your immaturity prevents you from appreciating it then that is simply another of YOUR problems.
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Not proud enough to fight those liberals where you lived eh? Nay, you were content to earn a wage on a pay scale commensurate with your abode. Then like thousands of others bailed and brought that money with you to drive up home prices in a state you weren’t “proud enough” to take a pay cut and live in before.

You’re a bitch. Own it.

Half of my family got to Colorado in the 1850s, the other half is Arapaho. Scratched a living out of the dirt in the sand hills just south of Wray on a dryland cattle ranch and farm. It was a great state. Then it got invaded by a lot of people from CA, NY, IL, NJ etc... and they did to CO exactly what you're describing. Cashed out in the LIB cesspool and brought their $$$ in, pricing the locals out of the picture and then they began voting their LIB ways into the laws. CO now sucks and it sucks because of displaced LIBs. Nearly my entire family left the place because they did not want to live in CA and that is what CO became.


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Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Worse then snowbirds are transplants. Doesn’t matter how long you have been in Montana you are still a transplant. Watching transplants gripe about other transplants is always entertaining.

What is annoying is transplants always seem to think they bring some unique, redeemable quality to Montana. Well they don’t. They are just transplants. Natives don’t mush care for transplants.


lol. Which Rez do you collect your welfare on stud? Did you move and make a life for yourself somewhere or did you take over the fry bread/meth booth from your cuzzin?


I didn’t come from Pennsylvania that’s for sure!

Hahahaha looks like Gruff got under someone's skin.... smile


Na, I just refuse to suffer a fool.

Another aboriginal I guess.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Worse then snowbirds are transplants. Doesn’t matter how long you have been in Montana you are still a transplant. Watching transplants gripe about other transplants is always entertaining.

What is annoying is transplants always seem to think they bring some unique, redeemable quality to Montana. Well they don’t. They are just transplants. Natives don’t mush care for transplants.


lol. Which Rez do you collect your welfare on stud? Did you move and make a life for yourself somewhere or did you take over the fry bread/meth booth from your cuzzin?


I didn’t come from Pennsylvania that’s for sure!

Hahahaha looks like Gruff got under someone's skin.... smile


Na, I just refuse to suffer a fool.

Another aboriginal I guess.

Sounds a hell of a lot like calldumb.

Regardless, they're a coward. No different than reading JeffO posts lol


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by losttrail60
Worse then snowbirds are transplants. Doesn’t matter how long you have been in Montana you are still a transplant. Watching transplants gripe about other transplants is always entertaining.

What is annoying is transplants always seem to think they bring some unique, redeemable quality to Montana. Well they don’t. They are just transplants. Natives don’t mush care for transplants.


lol. Which Rez do you collect your welfare on stud? Did you move and make a life for yourself somewhere or did you take over the fry bread/meth booth from your cuzzin?


I didn’t come from Pennsylvania that’s for sure!

Hahahaha looks like Gruff got under someone's skin.... smile


Na, I just refuse to suffer a fool.

Another aboriginal I guess.
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When you live in Montana, you must ware many different hats to make a living. I know, I did it. Some jobs paid more than others, nevertheless, work is work. I fed my family, I paid my bills, I helped my neighbors out when they needed it. I never shied away from anything.
Being a good honest person goes a long way with me.
Treat others as you would like to be treated.

I truly wish you all the very best.


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Hammerdown/Randy, they aren't EVER going to like folks from Ca. Ever. Most of them were probably born here, can't believe all were. They came from someplace. Let 'em bitch about out of staters. I guess that's all they have to do. Don't give a fugk. Maybe they should go to another website NOT owned by a guy from CALIFORNIA!

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Thanks Tom. I appreciate your advice.

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Originally Posted by Hammerdown
When you live in Montana, you must ware many different hats to make a living. I know, I did it. Some jobs paid more than others, nevertheless, work is work. I fed my family, I paid my bills, I helped my neighbors out when they needed it. I never shied away from anything.
Being a good honest person goes a long way with me.
Treat others as you would like to be treated.

I truly wish you all the very best.

Damn straight, Hammerdown.

This California hate is grapes of wrath in reverse. Don't worry, boys, I'm not moving to your state. I'm staying right here behind enemy lines.

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You guys need a little perspective to be honest…

The median home price where I live is 1.3 million. It is NOT that high due to an influx of Californians.

It’s outsiders believe it or not. People flocking here for work/schools/climate and driving home prices to astronomical heights

The issues you experience are not unique to Montana or Idaho or Colorado. I also wonder WTH kids are going to do around here in regards to housing and work and raising a family…

Gruff I guess what I’m saying is I understand and sympathize with your plight, because it’s the exact same here believe it or not.


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Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by Sycamore
nothing like a Montanan from Pennsylvania and a Montanan from California ganging up on a Montanan from Washington. You boys should just meet up in Butte for a Pork Chop Sandwich! Maybe you'll meet a Montanan!

Sycamore,

This is why everyone here thinks you are an idiot.... you think you are clever but are truly a fool.
The point is living and working in a place like Montana has a penalty, jokingly referred to as "poverty with a view"
Since you are unable to connect dots , I will spell it out for you.
The wages here are very low, the benefits meager, so a price of sorts is paid to earn a living here.
Most working folks I know here work two or three jobs.
Yet the out of state pensioners come here with city money, drive the cost of real estate and other goods up.
And with their large pension they bring a large attitude and look down upon the locals.
You equating Gruff & myself as being hypocrites is dead wrong and you either know it and are lying , or you are too stupid to understand it.
Gruff earns his living here and raises his family here. I did the same.
Another detail that you know as I have disclosed it on here several times before is that I left Calif. at the age of 18yrs old, in 1980.
Prior to that age I had to live with the decisions my parents made.
Also rural N. Calif. , 40+ years ago was way more conservative than Montana is today.
These transplants are and will change Montana and the reason they moved here will be gone, yet they are too stupid to see or understand that!

Life choices, you make your own, not someone elses.

Bitching about how someone else made their money, or where they want to spend it, sounds kind of like class envy.

One thing people forget, when they spend their working life in a hell hole to retire to a nice place, they won't ever be a 20,30 or 40 year old in the new place.

Work in Montana if you want to live there, work somewhere else if you don't. Same with retirement, it's a free country, retire anywhere you can afford to , if you like it.

This country has been changing every year, by people moving in from somewhere else.

That's reality.

The reality show is when the transplants bitch about the new transplants.


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