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Maybe he needs to start the bear, then do nothing for a second or two to simulate wondering "what the hell is that noise?" Then a second or two of looking over his shoulder to try and identify what's happening. Then a second or two to overcome the "oh shyt" response. Then pull the gun.

I think if I were in an area where there was a serious threat of a grizzly attack, I'd carry two handguns. My Redhawk 8 shot .357 in a chest rig, and my Glock 20 10mm on my hip. So when I draw my Ruger while I'm simultaneously [bleep] myself, and drop my Ruger, I'll at least have another gun to draw. I might even carry a 3rd, my SP101, in my belt on the small of my back. As tough as a grizzly is, I'm pretty sure they can't bite through a SP101.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
The single action has been known for a very long time to be quite easy to draw, cock, and accurately fire the first shot at least on par with a semi-auto pistol.

That from a guy too paranoid to flip a safety off? smirk


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Originally Posted by MOGC
There are a heck of a lot of people that carry handguns for self defense that probably have less experience than the guy in the video and they think they are "good enough." Fortunately they seldom actually have to use their gun and they manage to get by without shooting themselves in the foot and then being killed by a bad guy or eaten by a bear.

I think that is more the norm than not. I''d say it is close to 90% of the people who think they can kill a charging bear.


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The single action has been known for a very long time to be quite easy to draw, cock, and accurately fire the first shot at least on par with a semi-auto pistol.

That from a guy too paranoid to flip a safety off? smirk
Not sure what you mean. I've been carrying 1911s off and on since the early 1980s. My current daily carry is a Commander style 1911.

All I've ever said was that there's less to possibly go wrong if it's not there, such as with a Glock. I don't see how that's even arguable. Doesn't mean I will only carry a Glock, though. Just means I need to put in the work to build that muscle memory for deactivating the safety on the draw.

If you don't want to worry about that, then there are Glocks and the like. Those are excellent guns, and I've carried them often over the years, too.

What in the world could paranoia have to do with that debate?

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If I can get this link to work...interesting running list of bear stoppages by handguns.

Yep seems to work.

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Oh geez another "simulated bear attack" video.

Meh.


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Originally Posted by 10Glocks
Maybe he needs to start the bear, then do nothing for a second or two to simulate wondering "what the hell is that noise?" Then a second or two of looking over his shoulder to try and identify what's happening. Then a second or two to overcome the "oh shyt" response. Then pull the gun.

This was exactly my experience. Had the bear wanted to get me it definitely would have. If you busy engaged in some other activity like fishing you better hope that it the bear gives you a warning huff.

I am no expert but the one "event" I had was eye opening.


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I can almost guarantee two things about the people that think shooting at a moving target like this is a joke, one, they've never tried it, and two, they've never posted a video of them shooting on YouTube.

Shooting at irregularly moving targets, and or shooting from a moving platform, are difficult at best. He was ready to draw and got four shots off with the Glock. Like others have said if he wasn't ready, maybe one shot, maybe. Which questions capacity vs. power. If you only make contact with one shot, should it be a .454? To each his own, I think it was a simple test of pistol options and results.

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What I think about is.... Even if I didn't get a shot off before being knocked down...How many shots could I get into it while holding onto the pistol with one hand.... especially at mere inches apart.... hopefully I'd be holding onto a 10mm semi pistol... couldn't miss then...LOL


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Can we please put our thinking caps on?


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Good grief.


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Originally Posted by Mountain10mm
I can almost guarantee two things about the people that think shooting at a moving target like this is a joke, one, they've never tried it, and two, they've never posted a video of them shooting on YouTube.

Shooting at irregularly moving targets, and or shooting from a moving platform, are difficult at best. He was ready to draw and got four shots off with the Glock. Like others have said if he wasn't ready, maybe one shot, maybe. Which questions capacity vs. power. If you only make contact with one shot, should it be a .454? To each his own, I think it was a simple test of pistol options and results.

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A video of someone who can't shoot for Jack [bleep]! The man needs to shoot more period end of story! A great way to practice is with cans. You shoot the can and make it fly than touch it off the second it hits the ground again. Get good at it and you'll put a bullet thru the brain pan of a charging bear so fast it'll make its head spin clean off.



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Originally Posted by Trystan
A video of someone who can't shoot for Jack [bleep]! The man needs to shoot more period end of story! A great way to practice is with cans. You shoot the can and make it fly than touch it off the second it hits the ground again. Get good at it and you'll put a bullet thru the brain pan of a charging bear so fast it'll make its head spin clean off.



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The “wax on/wax off” off approach.

Interesting.


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A video of someone who can't shoot for Jack [bleep]! The man needs to shoot more period end of story! A great way to practice is with cans. You shoot the can and make it fly than touch it off the second it hits the ground again. Get good at it and you'll put a bullet thru the brain pan of a charging bear so fast it'll make its head spin clean off.



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The “wax on/wax off” off approach.

Interesting.

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Paint da fence.....sand da floor.... If stand in front of charging bear, squish....just like grape....

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Good grief.

That's a good one for sure.

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I'm sure that Allen realized that he would get NO shots off with a rifled weapon if it were slung on the shoulder in that short time frame.... so he had to use those weapons in a ready position... which also means.... that if he did the pistols in a ready position... then he might have gotten off twice the amount of rounds.... so that sounds like it favors the pistols in both situations.... ready or non-ready.


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Looked like the 44 mag were stout loads. He didn't say what the loads were.
(factory 240+ grain at 1200-1300 fps??).

The 10 mm loads were likely lighter (200 grains at maybe 1000 fps ??)

How about a less-stout 44 mag load of 250-280 grain hard cast at 1000-1100 fps? Should be less recovery time, and better results ( more hits, or at least hits made in "kill zone"?). Barrel length may be as big a factor as the load ( shortter-to a point - is quicker to draw). Maybe a 4" barreled 44 mag with 260 grain hard cast at 1000-1100 fps would be a good combo.

Another factor would be the grip ergonomics. The small, round Redhawk grips are in the "lousy " side of ergonomics, while the Glock grip would be higher on the scale for "pointability". Maybe some Pachmayr Gripper grips or Hogues on the Redhawk for improved pointability (=more or improved hits)?

Would be interesting to see the shooter facing away from the bear, wearing his coat, and holding firewood in arms. When the sled starts, the driver yells "Bear!" ...then have shooter drop firewood, turn, draw and shoot. The current scenario is gives the shooter time to be mentally ready.

I get it. It isn't the most scientific "study", but it was fun, entertaining and well-intentioned. Thanks to the shooter for making it, and for the other guy for posting it. It boils down to, "You play the way you
practice.". He's practicing.

A long barreled, strong recoiling single action? That will be a challenge for sure, even with practice.

30+ years ago, a local gun club set up a running deer target (on a tight cable). Distance was variable, but ranged from 30-100 yards, depending where they had you shoot. You could take 3 shots. It was fun, good practice, and very revealing. If you don't practice a certain condition/shot, you are not maximizing the opportunity. I don't normally shoot at running deer, but I am better at it if I have to as a result of that running deer shooting set up (and it was fun).

I enjoyed this cardboard bear charging video. I'd like to try it with my 4" S&W 629, "just because." Practice is a good thing.


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