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I just came across this Guy's charging bear testing system and thought you Guys might enjoy it... he even has another video of doing it with rifles and shotguns... it's a true eye opener as to how many accurate shots that might be possible during a 2-3 second charge.

Uhhhhh…

Let’s stop and think about this.

Very interesting. About what I would expect. I only watched it once very quickly so I could have missed something.....but....

One thing I didn't hear him mention was speed of draw. It certainly looked quicker getting the Glock into play. Quicker draw moving a shorter barrel from a holster with an easier to access grip. Would be interesting to see the same done with handgun already in hand.

His rifle test....

There may be some validity to what he is doing, but that is mostly an entertainment video. Standing at ready with your rifle in hand is not a real life bear encounter. The bear approaching him at that speed is likely real time, but without the rifle in hand and ready to fire, he would have been a sandwich for that bear.

Snowshoes on hard pack takes some seriousness out of what he is doing, it is easy to be critical, but he makes it even easier...

That's exactly the results that anyone who has any common sense would expect. Jerry Miculek would of done better with the revolver, same for the auto.

4 minutes is all i could watch.

I figured he'd only get one shot off with the single action, but there's no excuse for that one shot being so inaccurate. The single action has been known for a very long time to be quite easy to draw, cock, and accurately fire the first shot at least on par with a semi-auto pistol.

Really?

Yes. You cock as you draw, so that factor shouldn't slow you down in getting that first sight picture. The trigger pull is certainly not the issue, as it's light and crisp. It's having to then cock again for subsequent shots that slows you down vs a semi-auto. For the first shot, though, you should be on par, if you know how to draw, cock, and shoot a single action revolver.

When à grizzly came in on me working à moose kill I used a 475 Linebaugh, 1 shot is all I fired and that was that

Pretty obvious he has little experience with a revolver. But I can't fault him for putting up an entertainment video.

If you don't practice with a big bore revolver then you are going to suck. And he sucks.

He sucks....??? I'm not so sure... after all... he is drawing from a holster and then shooting at a charging target... that is a real life test. His first videos where stationary paper targets, but that wasn't real life testing so he rigged up this system. I think the actual time from the first shot to the last shot is pretty short.

Well then you suck too.
A revolver is easy to shoot fast with a little practice - and he's never practiced. A heavy chunk of steel like that Redhawk makes 44mag very controllable.

There are a heck of a lot of people that carry handguns for self defense that probably have less experience than the guy in the video and they think they are "good enough." Fortunately they seldom actually have to use their gun and they manage to get by without shooting themselves in the foot and then being killed by a bad guy or eaten by a bear.

More of a holster test than types of handguns.

The top of the Glock holster approx. 3" lower, plus the shorter barrel obviously offering a faster draw.

Then the apples to water melon's of shooting a 10 against a 44 mag. A 200(?) @ 1150 vs. a 240(?) @ 1400. Why not a 10mm revolver?

Another BS mismatched test.

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LOL.... I think he was just testing himself to see what he could actually do if a Kodiak bear charged him while working on that island.

Or about anywhere else in Alaska.

Maybe he needs to start the bear, then do nothing for a second or two to simulate wondering "what the hell is that noise?" Then a second or two of looking over his shoulder to try and identify what's happening. Then a second or two to overcome the "oh shyt" response. Then pull the gun.

I think if I were in an area where there was a serious threat of a grizzly attack, I'd carry two handguns. My Redhawk 8 shot .357 in a chest rig, and my Glock 20 10mm on my hip. So when I draw my Ruger while I'm simultaneously [bleep] myself, and drop my Ruger, I'll at least have another gun to draw. I might even carry a 3rd, my SP101, in my belt on the small of my back. As tough as a grizzly is, I'm pretty sure they can't bite through a SP101.

That from a guy too paranoid to flip a safety off?

I think that is more the norm than not. I''d say it is close to 90% of the people who think they can kill a charging bear.

Not sure what you mean. I've been carrying 1911s off and on since the early 1980s. My current daily carry is a Commander style 1911.

All I've ever said was that there's less to possibly go wrong if it's not there, such as with a Glock. I don't see how that's even arguable. Doesn't mean I will only carry a Glock, though. Just means I need to put in the work to build that muscle memory for deactivating the safety on the draw.

If you don't want to worry about that, then there are Glocks and the like. Those are excellent guns, and I've carried them often over the years, too.

What in the world could paranoia have to do with that debate?

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/ha...medium=copy_link&utm_source=bookmark

If I can get this link to work...interesting running list of bear stoppages by handguns.

Yep seems to work.

Oh geez another "simulated bear attack" video.

Meh.

This was exactly my experience. Had the bear wanted to get me it definitely would have. If you busy engaged in some other activity like fishing you better hope that it the bear gives you a warning huff.

I am no expert but the one "event" I had was eye opening.

I can almost guarantee two things about the people that think shooting at a moving target like this is a joke, one, they've never tried it, and two, they've never posted a video of them shooting on YouTube.

Shooting at irregularly moving targets, and or shooting from a moving platform, are difficult at best. He was ready to draw and got four shots off with the Glock. Like others have said if he wasn't ready, maybe one shot, maybe. Which questions capacity vs. power. If you only make contact with one shot, should it be a .454? To each his own, I think it was a simple test of pistol options and results.

What I think about is.... Even if I didn't get a shot off before being knocked down...How many shots could I get into it while holding onto the pistol with one hand.... especially at mere inches apart.... hopefully I'd be holding onto a 10mm semi pistol... couldn't miss then...LOL

Can we please put our thinking caps on?

Good grief.

The joke isn't because we think it's easy

A video of someone who can't shoot for Jack [bleep]! The man needs to shoot more period end of story! A great way to practice is with cans. You shoot the can and make it fly than touch it off the second it hits the ground again. Get good at it and you'll put a bullet thru the brain pan of a charging bear so fast it'll make its head spin clean off.



Trystan

The “wax on/wax off” off approach.

Interesting.

Paint da fence.....sand da floor.... If stand in front of charging bear, squish....just like grape....

That's a good one for sure.

LOL

I'm sure that Allen realized that he would get NO shots off with a rifled weapon if it were slung on the shoulder in that short time frame.... so he had to use those weapons in a ready position... which also means.... that if he did the pistols in a ready position... then he might have gotten off twice the amount of rounds.... so that sounds like it favors the pistols in both situations.... ready or non-ready.

Looked like the 44 mag were stout loads. He didn't say what the loads were.
(factory 240+ grain at 1200-1300 fps??).

The 10 mm loads were likely lighter (200 grains at maybe 1000 fps ??)

How about a less-stout 44 mag load of 250-280 grain hard cast at 1000-1100 fps? Should be less recovery time, and better results ( more hits, or at least hits made in "kill zone"?). Barrel length may be as big a factor as the load ( shortter-to a point - is quicker to draw). Maybe a 4" barreled 44 mag with 260 grain hard cast at 1000-1100 fps would be a good combo.

Another factor would be the grip ergonomics. The small, round Redhawk grips are in the "lousy " side of ergonomics, while the Glock grip would be higher on the scale for "pointability". Maybe some Pachmayr Gripper grips or Hogues on the Redhawk for improved pointability (=more or improved hits)?

Would be interesting to see the shooter facing away from the bear, wearing his coat, and holding firewood in arms. When the sled starts, the driver yells "Bear!" ...then have shooter drop firewood, turn, draw and shoot. The current scenario is gives the shooter time to be mentally ready.

I get it. It isn't the most scientific "study", but it was fun, entertaining and well-intentioned. Thanks to the shooter for making it, and for the other guy for posting it. It boils down to, "You play the way you
practice.". He's practicing.

A long barreled, strong recoiling single action? That will be a challenge for sure, even with practice.

30+ years ago, a local gun club set up a running deer target (on a tight cable). Distance was variable, but ranged from 30-100 yards, depending where they had you shoot. You could take 3 shots. It was fun, good practice, and very revealing. If you don't practice a certain condition/shot, you are not maximizing the opportunity. I don't normally shoot at running deer, but I am better at it if I have to as a result of that running deer shooting set up (and it was fun).

I enjoyed this cardboard bear charging video. I'd like to try it with my 4" S&W 629, "just because." Practice is a good thing.

Post up a video of you doing this Trystan.

Ten years ago the jackrabbit population in southwest North Dakota exploded in numbers. We would do walkabouts carrying ammo and water. Tons of 45 colt were expended. It sure taught us to hit and miss with our 45s. We just shot our normal load which is a 310gr
Keith at 1200 fps. Really a lot of fun and ever since I’ve wanted a belt fed single action.
We only took shots at running jacks by the way as a sitting jack was just killing and pretty easy unless they were a ways out.

He needed to do comparable holsters and barrel lengths to have a reasonable comparison. The kydex holster with the Glock is an advantage

lol

I'd love to see you demonstrate that.

Specifics on distance, target size, holster, chambering, and load data would be UBER.

I am waiting on Trystan to show us his incredible speed shooting demo, and show us how he is so good he can "put a bullet thru the brain pan of a charging bear so fast it'll make its head spin clean off. "








Hawkeye's single action demo should be fun to watch too.

I wouldn't think you'd need someone to prove to you that you could cock a single action revolver on the draw (at some point before it's brought up to eye level), and that it has a nice crisp trigger. What part of what I said seems controversial to you?

Post up a video that demonstrates your prowess, hero.

Your ability to do it.

Well, by golly. Who can't do that? Have you guys ever fired a single action revolver? It's no trick at all to cock it during the draw stroke. It's the most natural thing in the world. This is a most peculiar series of posts.

TRH, you are being purposefully obtuse. You know exactly the point they are making.

Although Glocks were not on the scene at the time, Elmer said nothing is faster "for the first shot than a single action". I am not a fast draw guy at all, but the little bit I have done, the old single action, seemed easier to get my hand comfortably in position than either the double action or auto. BUT I have been shooting single actions for 60 years, not so with autos. Just a thought.

No, but if you do, please clarify.

Elmer was a good guy but he was just flat wrong about some things.


TRH is a good guy and it's unlikely he's being obtuse. And if (per the treehouse club rules here) you have to have a youtube account to disagree with youtube content, you'd probably have to have a youtube, instagram, tik-tok and fans-only accounts to be downright obtuse. And I sorta doubt TRH has the tik-tok account

Sure thing, Wyatt.

Feel free to call me Wyatt, Deflave. I'll take it.

1. I'll follow JWP's advice on the topic of handguns every time
2. If TRH says he can do it, I believe him. He may be a lot of things, but his integrity here is pretty solid.

Even Jerry Miculek isn’t this fast and this is a single action revolver…

By the way, I doubt that Wyatt Earp's skills with a single action revolver were anything outstanding. He was likely a competent shot with them, but what set him apart was mainly his steely nerves in a gun fight.

Cisko, Miculek, Bob Munden when he was alive - they'd fill that bear full of lead before I even reached for and fumbled around with my hammer strap.

Impressive.

Thanks for checking in.

Have I said something to offend you lately, Deflave? I'm sensing subtle hostility.

Offended? No.

Stupid? Yes.

Your handgun IQ should be higher than it is.

I see.

Black powder blank on close range ballons and starting with a shooting grip?

That's not got much to do with fighting grizzlies.



LOL.

North Florida Man and South Florida Man talking handguns for Grizzlies.

Okay.

Captain Forehead got sick of Fubarski proving he was a tax fraud.

LOL

Everyone brace yourself for all the all forehead and teeth hour.

A semi auto 10mm just has to be a part of everyone's protection no matter what, because even if your big bore rifle or handgun didn't do their job during the initial attack, then you can still empty the 15 round mag into the bear with a one handed grip while it's trying to claw and bite you body parts.... you surely couldn't miss at that close range. You can do a lot of shooting during those seconds of remaining life. If those 15 rounds didn't stop it... then you could simply say... Yes, Lord, I did my best... here I come.

Leave it to Wyatt to turn to hollywood

A semi in a chest holster would have changed the outcome.

I know. I'm such a woke liberal.

I used a 475 Linebaugh in 1988 to stop a grizzly that came in on me when I was working a moose kill. I only needed 1 shot

I seem to remember a similar sled test for PH's in Africa? Might have just been someone else's test like this but with big bore rifles. Dunno.

As to what's faster, I'm not an AK resident or visitor (as much as I'd like to be) - I doubt I'll ever have to know.

The fact he is, at the least, trying things out - thinking, practicing - likely a ton more than most will ever do so there's that. Interesting video. We once did something similar but left to right with a deer cut out - see which of those who claim "hit that deer running at 150 yards" could do so at 50. Not many did, certainly not a vitals hit. That was safe.

No expert on bears but I'd be curious to know from others - say you do hit the bear with shot one, it's not CNS - what are the odds it keeps coming? I hunted black bear, tracked in the bush and come across it not yet dead. When I shot again - it moved away from gunfire and not towards it. Would grizz just go head down and ignore or would they likely turn? I don't know. How committed are they to the attack -on average?

Grizzly bears usually react to being hit, but recover from that reaction extremely fast. Notice that the 900 pound grizzly that Phil Shoemaker killed with a 9mm reacted to every shot fired into him.

Grizzly bears usually react to being hit, but recover from that reaction extremely fast. Notice that the 900 pound grizzly that Phil Shoemaker killed with a 9mm reacted to every shot fired into him.[/quote]

Yes the reaction may give you a pause for better shot placement

I'm going to get a Glock 20 10mm... 15 rounds and the safety is quickly disengaged with the trigger pull. The safety being in the trigger is what sold me. I sure didn't want to be fumbling with a safety during a panic attack.



Here is Allen again with his charging bear and Desert Eagle Buddy.

Here is an interesting article that has some good real world research.

Documents 104 individual cases of handguns being used for defense against bears.

Handguns against bears



I think the G20 makes a lot of sense for general defense against bears. Bear hunting I would and have used .45 Long Colt/350gr WLN.

Yet you called it a "Long Colt"

I don't care, just poking, but does it use a clip or a magazine.

Ummm, neither. It's a revolver round.

It ain't complicated.

Cowboy guns shoot the 45 round Colt. Army guns shoot the 45 square Colt.

PS There's a reason for it being called Long Colt, even though that's not technically its designation. It goes back to a period when the US Army had adopted two main revolvers, the S&W Schofield (chambered in .45 Schofield) and the Colt SAA (chambered in .45 Colt).

The problem was that the .45 Schofield was identical to the .45 Colt, other than case length (it was a bit shorter), so they were one-way-compatible only. Thus logistical problems arose when orders for more ammo were delivered to headquarters. If they asked for .45 Schofield and received .45 Colt, they'd be out of luck, because they wouldn't chamber in the Schofield revolver, so the habit developed of referring to .45 Colt as .45 Long Colt, in order to address the confusion.

Eventually the problem was solved by only ordering .45 Schofield ammo, which would operate in both revolvers, but the tradition of referring to .45 Colt as Long Colt had already been established, and the folks who had been in the military during that confusing period continued to use that terminology upon rejoining civilian life, so by that means it came to be established in common practice.

Saying it don't make it so.


Some,
Call this a woman!

While I commend the YouTuber that put those piles of dog schit videos together, it's important that an aspiring handgunner recognize the lack of logic on display here.

If you are wondering how fast you can shoot an object moving straight on, that is covering 10-15 yards in one second, it would make sense to hang a standard USPSA target at 25yds, another at 10yds, and one more at 1yd.

Par for three hits in the A-Zone (CNS) would be around two seconds. All those interested in testing their skills would be able to do so sans snowmobiles, drunk uncles, miniature train sets, pulley systems, etc.





You're welcome,
Flave

PS- Butt Fugk Burns doesn't train anyone to do anything. He's a fraud.

uh bullshit for $200 bones you get a 1/2 day training with yo new Wyoming arms AR15.

https://wyomingarms.com/product/1-2-day-training-with-your-wyoming-arms-rifle/

JFC.

LMAO

Can you imagine that idiot "training" you?

Complete fugking fraud.

That is a good drill, done in reverse it is great for SD shooting. Line the targets up directly behind each other and have the shooter start from directly in front of the near target and move so that the other targets do not get hit to add spice/reality.

If you can do the drill you describe in 2 seconds from the holster you are my hero


mike r

I've no reason to train for bear charges (although my family and I did frequent grizz heavy country each summer for ten years) but if one is inclined to do so they would have to factor that a bear conservatively moves at 25mph which would roughly equate to 12-15yds per second.

So I think the drill I prescribed makes sense especially when you consider the fact that you're gettin' reps and the likelihood of a human being charging your ass is 100X's more likely than a bear. And the drill remains applicable.

Or you could be Butt Fugk Burns and just shoot rocks at 300yds all day. LOL

I liked it actually. He's just trying to make some income doing something he likes and be creative at it I imagine.

I do like that he is actually outside - not on the couch - and drawing from his holsters. At most public gun ranges around here, they don't want you to draw from the holster or shoot fast...probably some insurance thing.

So he's getting some muscle memory with that...and it looks like he's having fun...eh, cut him some slack.

Oh wait this is 24HCF...you're right...we're suppose tell him to GFY.

LOL, funny stuff, seems my choice of sidearm hunting in general or especially bow hunting in polar/coastal kodiak/grizzly country too be my G21 stuffed with 14 rounds of 200gr Lehigh penetrators' the perfect choice for my greenhorn ass! Thanks for the video.