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Say you were set on a 30 caliber magnum and you had lots of brass for either the 300 Win or 300 Wby, which would you choose? Likely to use a 700 action.

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Still have two 700s in .300 WBY. Had two in .300 Win but sold the Sendero. All factory rifles.

Given 24" barrels, the difference has been 75-100 fps favoring the Roy. Given cup/core bullets the Win flavor has been a bit more accurate. You can usually find a cup/core to shoot in a Roy, but it's not an easy slam dunk.

Given TTSX pick whichever you like. They're all accurate with a TTSX.

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Defiance action - Rem 700 clone, only better.

As to whether I'd go 300 Win Mag or Wby Mag, much would depend on where I planned in using it. 300 Win Mag is likely easier to find if needed, in more places and flavors than 300 Wby Mag.

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I have both in 700’s. Roy wins by 100 fps if max loaded for each. You can’t go wrong with either. I use 150 TTSX in all my 30’s

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300 Wby all day long.


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I have both. I have had the Win. since 1970. I planned on making it into a .300 Wea/. but at the time, Douglas barrel company did not freebore. So when I deducted the difference, they were both about the same velocity wise. I stuck with the Win. I was in an area where Douglas was the barrel so that is why I didn't consider others.. Today, I guess I would still go with the Win. In a 700 action, you can seat the bullet out as a Win.'s throat wears and keep the bullet close to the rifling. A 300 Wea. just fits in the magazine, and there is no room to seat it out farther.


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I have a 300RUM, that I like more everything I shoot it. That said, when the barrel goes. Probly go to a 300 Win

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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
300 Wby all day long.
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
300 Wby all day long.


Yep, 180 factory 180 Hornady were 3300, didn’t know the win could roll em at 3200-3225…


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I think I might try the WBY. Do the WBY actions give you more room? Might be cheaper to buy than build.

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If you’re building one, I’d go with a 300 Win myself but use a 3.6+ magazine. The standard 300 Win reamer let’s you sit out a bullet pretty far as is. In the few we’ve used 200 ABs out at 3.575” allow 2950-3050 depending on loads.

300 Wby is a great one too, but it’s hard to hate on the amount of great brass for the 300 Win.


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Top of the morning to you sir, I hope it's as bright and clear in your part of the PNW as it is here just across the medicine line this morning.

With the understanding that a lot of my experience is with old school powders and in some cases from rifles we fooled with 30 years ago, I'd say this about that.

A long passed on shooting and handloading mentor was what I believe John Barsness called a "rifle churner" in that he'd buy, sell and trade constantly. That said it did mean we got to play with different stuff and run it across the chronograph "for the sake of science". wink

During that time I put together a pair of .308 Norma rifles and fooled with another couple rifles chambered for that round. Then I picked up a No. 1 in .300 Win Mag which had a nice long throat and 26" barrel so we could get the most possible out of the cartridge. Buddy the rifle trader had examples of .300 H&H, .300 WSM and .300 Weatherby that we played with over that time too.

As a broad statement there wasn't much difference between them all and it seemed somewhat dependent on barrel length as far as velocities went, the longer ones usually getting more speed. Usually..

On deer/black bear sized game we never saw any noticeable difference on the animal's reaction to being hit between say the .308 Norma or the .300 Win Mag. The velocity/trajectory was close enough that I just held on the same place in those pre-rangefinder days.

For the life of me I can't recall if he had a Model 70 or a Remington 700 in .300 Weatherby, but I don't recall any feeding issues with it, which I do with an early Savage 110 in .300 WSM for instance.

It likely would be cheaper to buy than to build as you note and up here factory chambered rifles are usually easier to move than something custom, even if it's put together by a known builder.

Speaking of that, a local gunsmith who also has a long range shooting school and does some competition shoots a .30-.338 Improved for his competition rifle. His is built on a 700 action and he said he chose the cartridge because he was able to get very consistent velocities with a minimum of effort with that chambering. Easier than a .300 Win Mag if I'm remembering correctly.

Anyways sir, I'm not sure that's useful or not, but either one is a fine round as long as it feeds nicely in the rifle.

Good luck with the project whichever way you decide and all the best.

Dwayne

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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
300 Wby all day long.

This ☝🏽 all day and night.


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Take your pick of any 300 Mag you want 300 Win Mag, WSM, Wby mag, PRC, H&H, there isn’t an animal alive that can tell the difference. Only difference is case shape, action size and a few fps here and there.
Some are more practical in terms of ammo/brass availability etc. but as long as you have ammo or components none of it makes a hill of beans difference.
Some are short and fat, some are long and slender, some have short necks, some long necks but a 300 Mag is a 300 Mag.

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I remember as a young kid arguing over wether Fords or Chevys were best.
And none of us were even old enough to drive either of them. lol
As for the comment on the Savage 110 with the short mag feeding issue.
I had the same issue with one. All the Savage expert gunsmiths gave me opinions on how easy it was to fix.
I finally found a guy by name of Mac in Gillette WY. who did, and when i got it back from him i found it a nicer home.

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Ladies,

Bullets matter wayyyyyyyy more than headstamps. Hint.

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As an aside,OEM 700 L/A mag confines are 3.690". Hint.

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Is that the hamburgler gargling again?? Ya your right, sooooo fuuuucking important!! Smoked him from those pines uphill, spotted the night before, snuck in as he was headed into the thick shiit to bed for the day. Bout 40 yards. 180 spire points. Keep yappin bacon throat 😂😂😘


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Oh, fuucking laughing!……………..


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It will only come as a "surprise!" to someone who "does" as "much" as you,that the Hornie .308" 180gr cited,is simply a rather poor projectile within the chamberings thus far cited. Pardon my simply shooting it all,as you wax eloquent via Vagina Monologue,upon your raging Estrogen torrents. Hint.

Do not "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery. Hint.

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The situation I find myself in is I ended up with 400 brand new 300 WBY cases and nearly as much 300 Win cases. I also have a ton of 30 caliber bullets.

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I'd happily trade ALL away,to realize something good instead...but I actually shoot. Hint......................(grin)


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