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Originally Posted by Steve
NY will try to enact laws that still allow them to control the issuance of carry permits. They will then be slapped down by the courts. Just like DC tried in Heller.

Don't think the average Joe is going to get a permit anytime soon.
Not in the city, anyway.

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
They can still be banned on privet property.
Of course.

The constitution has nothing to do with citizen vs citizen, only citizen vs Government.


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Good news overall, but we will have to wait and see how this is interpreted by the blue states. They will probably drag their feet in various ways.

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Reading further it looks like a slap down.

“New York’s proper-cause requirement violates the Fourteenth Amendment by preventing law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense.” =Thomas

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This is not a narrow decision at all from what I can see. It’s sweeping. I think it could apply to any future bans as well and could well take the teeth out of some of these red flag laws.

The historical standard thing is huge in that it sets an arguably objective standard against which to measure any government action. Government can’t just show that it has a compelling need or reason to regulate, it has to show that particular regulation is in line with what we have historically done in this country. And then of course, any law now or even a historical one can’t contradict the plain text of the Constitution.

This easily could apply to any future proposed bans on firearms or types of firearms and other schemes designed to deprive citizens of their 2nd Amendment rights.

This is a really really broad and sweeping decision in our favor. I think it builds upon and is more important than Heller.

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Originally Posted by Dutch
Like Heller, the right to self defense is acknowledged.

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Didnt the SC also rule Va or some such state can require Voter ID? That will be one of Trumps contributions that will destroy the Dimocommie Party.

Red Wave coming.

Trump is

MAGA

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could well take the teeth out of some of these red flag laws.

Interesting thought. Maybe so.


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NOT off topic,

Anyone know whose birthday is today................??????


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I have always had the question of how is the SCOTUS supposed to enforce their decisions? What if NY basically says f**k you and ignores the whole thing. They can get all the decisions in the world that show the 2nd applies to them, but they are going to do things their way. IMHO, the NY governor's statement pretty much said that this morning.

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Originally Posted by Muffin
NOT off topic,

Anyone know whose birthday is today................??????

Clarence's.


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Originally Posted by JoeBob
This is not a narrow decision at all from what I can see. It’s sweeping. I think it could apply to any future bans as well and could well take the teeth out of some of these red flag laws.

The historical standard thing is huge in that it sets an arguably objective standard against which to measure any government action. Government can’t just show that it has a compelling need or reason to regulate, it has to show that particular regulation is in line with what we have historically done in this country. And then of course, any law now or even a historical one can’t contradict the plain text of the Constitution.

This easily could apply to any future proposed bans on firearms or types of firearms and other schemes designed to deprive citizens of their 2nd Amendment rights.

This is a really really broad and sweeping decision in our favor. I think it builds upon and is more important than Heller.
I wouldn't put it past the current regime to knock off every Justice who supported this decision.

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Good question delta.

The executive branch should probably tasked with enforcement.
But Obama decided he only had to do what he wanted.
He didn't like marijuana laws, so decided to ignore enforcement.
(Try ignoring your work at the job!)

Can't say Obama started that. Since then, Governors and States Attorneys
have been ignoring the laws everywhere.

I'm sure Brandon would never tell NY to comply or be forced.


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Well I guess those of you living in Yankeeland better get to it about making sure your governments apply the standard.

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Originally Posted by Steve
Originally Posted by Muffin
NOT off topic,

Anyone know whose birthday is today................??????

Clarence's.



Clarence Thomas (born June 23, 1948) is an American lawyer who serves as an associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by JoeBob
This is not a narrow decision at all from what I can see. It’s sweeping. I think it could apply to any future bans as well and could well take the teeth out of some of these red flag laws.

The historical standard thing is huge in that it sets an arguably objective standard against which to measure any government action. Government can’t just show that it has a compelling need or reason to regulate, it has to show that particular regulation is in line with what we have historically done in this country. And then of course, any law now or even a historical one can’t contradict the plain text of the Constitution.

This easily could apply to any future proposed bans on firearms or types of firearms and other schemes designed to deprive citizens of their 2nd Amendment rights.

This is a really really broad and sweeping decision in our favor. I think it builds upon and is more important than Heller.
I wouldn't put it past the current regime to knock off every Justice who supported this decision.



End of June.

How long would it take to pack the Court?
Would the Court stand for it?
Could they rule against it?
If so, who would put teeth to the ruling?
What if they ruled, but Congress ignored them?

The Court has sent numerous signs that they would not be happy,
and might be willing to act against an attempt to pack it.


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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Biggest win ever for 2A rights at SCOTUS.

This will impact on AW bans and magazine bans.
How? Iam not a lawyer ,how does conceal carry pistols law , affect AW bans and magazines?..not..being sarcastic

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Originally Posted by rem shooter
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Biggest win ever for 2A rights at SCOTUS.

This will impact on AW bans and magazine bans.
How? Iam not a lawyer ,how does conceal carry pistols law , affect AW bans and magazines?..not..being sarcastic


Because it says the right to keep and bear is one of "ordinary citizens" and that the two-step method used by courts is wrong.
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In Heller and McDonald, we held that the Second and
Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual right to
keep and bear arms for self-defense. In doing so, we held
unconstitutional two laws that prohibited the possession
and use of handguns in the home. In the years since, the
Courts of Appeals have coalesced around a “two-step”
framework for analyzing Second Amendment challenges
that combines history with means-end scrutiny.
Today, we decline to adopt that two-part approach. In
keeping with Heller, we hold that when the Second Amend-
ment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Consti-
tution presumptively protects that conduct. To justify its
regulation, the government may not simply posit that the
regulation promotes an important interest. Rather, the
government must demonstrate that the regulation is con-
sistent with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm reg-
ulation. Only if a firearm regulation is consistent with this
Nation’s historical tradition may a court conclude that the
individual’s conduct falls outside the Second Amendment’s
“unqualified command.”

[...]

Despite the popularity of this two-step approach, it is one
step too many. Step one of the predominant framework is
broadly consistent with Heller, which demands a test rooted
in the Second Amendment’s text, as informed by history.
But Heller and McDonald do not support applying means-
end scrutiny in the Second Amendment context. Instead,
the government must affirmatively prove that its firearms
regulation is part of the historical tradition that delimits
the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms.

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