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Originally Posted by RIO7
I'm a old duffer, and i have been shooting off bi-pod sticks standing for as long i can remember, when i was young and more limber, i wiuld shoot most long shots from kneeling if i could see well enough, never been a fan of shooting prone while hunting, between the sand burrs, and the weeds, you can't see the end of your barrel prone down here. Rio7
I know Gramps had a bi-pod on his old sporterized Springfield 30-06 he used shooting mule deer and antelope in the 60s. That was 55-60 years ago.


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Originally Posted by Sharpsman
ability are so lousy today that all hunters have to tote a tripod with vise to support the rifle!! Nothing like having commercialism to kill the ability to learn effective field shooting procedure by employing one more gimmick!!


Vise is old-school now.

The cool kids are using arca rails on the rifle, and arca plate on the tripod.

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Originally Posted by deflave
I operate on principles and my teaching reflects same.

When teaching any shooter I try to instill that mobility and stability is a scale that can tip any which way at any time. You cannot gain stability without sacrificing some level of mobility. Conversely, you cannot gain mobility without sacrificing some level of stability.

Shooting is a thinking man's game and it behooves the shooter to have this instilled on day one. Most real world shot placement is going to be unique and require fluidity when the shooter attempts to make the shot. This is applicable in all aspects of shooting. Be it an Active Shooter situation, your first deer, or a USPSA match. The shooter should learn every aspect of the shooting discipline and be prepared to deliver accordingly.

Overall I do agree that the majority of young hunters rely heavily on some form of rest and I believe this is due to decades of "be sure of your shot" type instruction. Fine for beginner level instruction, but please ensure your kid/grandkid/pupil understands that is Tier One level instruction.

If somebody wants to be a well rounded shooter, they should be adept in the offhand.

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Good afternoon my friend, I hope the day down in your section of the south is behaving and you're all well.

Regarding what you've written, as someone who has been instructing folks in Hunter Safety and by extension also teaching shooting for 33 years now, so a few hundred I suppose, I'd only say, "yep". grin

A lot of good and bad habits depend upon the instruction - as you've stated.

Anyways a tip of the battered Bailey for that post sir.

All the best to you all.

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I don't begrudge the newer equipment and methods. Some I use, some I don't.

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Originally Posted by BC30cal
Originally Posted by deflave
I operate on principles and my teaching reflects same.

When teaching any shooter I try to instill that mobility and stability is a scale that can tip any which way at any time. You cannot gain stability without sacrificing some level of mobility. Conversely, you cannot gain mobility without sacrificing some level of stability.

Shooting is a thinking man's game and it behooves the shooter to have this instilled on day one. Most real world shot placement is going to be unique and require fluidity when the shooter attempts to make the shot. This is applicable in all aspects of shooting. Be it an Active Shooter situation, your first deer, or a USPSA match. The shooter should learn every aspect of the shooting discipline and be prepared to deliver accordingly.

Overall I do agree that the majority of young hunters rely heavily on some form of rest and I believe this is due to decades of "be sure of your shot" type instruction. Fine for beginner level instruction, but please ensure your kid/grandkid/pupil understands that is Tier One level instruction.

If somebody wants to be a well rounded shooter, they should be adept in the offhand.

deflave;
Good afternoon my friend, I hope the day down in your section of the south is behaving and you're all well.

Regarding what you've written, as someone who has been instructing folks in Hunter Safety and by extension also teaching shooting for 33 years now, so a few hundred I suppose, I'd only say, "yep". grin

A lot of good and bad habits depend upon the instruction - as you've stated.

Anyways a tip of the battered Bailey for that post sir.

All the best to you all.

Dwayne

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Hope all is well.


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Originally Posted by The_Yetti
Why would someone want to get as stable as possible to make a good shot? Stand on your two legs and throw some lead in the air and hope and pray!

Now you’re talkin!! Put some lead in the air!!


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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
ability are so lousy today that all hunters have to tote a tripod with vise to support the rifle!! Nothing like having commercialism to kill the ability to learn effective field shooting procedure by employing one more gimmick!!


Vise is old-school now.

The cool kids are using arca rails on the rifle, and arca plate on the tripod.


Can one be a "cool kid" @ 70 yrs...........

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or just an "old geek"

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Originally Posted by Old Ornery
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
ability are so lousy today that all hunters have to tote a tripod with vise to support the rifle!! Nothing like having commercialism to kill the ability to learn effective field shooting procedure by employing one more gimmick!!


Do you use a rifle scope and binoculars?

Oh hell no! Wouldn’t be caught with one!


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Most kids these days couldn't hit a barn from the inside.

There's a time for a rest, and a time for offhand with rifles. Both can be your friend, but practice is very beneficial.

Offhand at 50 yards:
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Offhand at 20 yards:
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Bag rest:
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Originally Posted by geedubya
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Originally Posted by Sharpsman
ability are so lousy today that all hunters have to tote a tripod with vise to support the rifle!! Nothing like having commercialism to kill the ability to learn effective field shooting procedure by employing one more gimmick!!


Vise is old-school now.

The cool kids are using arca rails on the rifle, and arca plate on the tripod.




Can one be a "cool kid" @ 70 yrs...........

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

or just an "old geek"

Quien Sabe,

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If one really cares about the subject this is a great read:
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Somebody recommended here on the Campfire and they were spot on. A bit boring as the author is not a gifted writer but he makes a lot of great points about a lot of important things.

And the majority of "Boomers" (this would include NotaSharpMan) would disagree with him.


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deflave;
Thanks for the reply, we're doing better than we deserve thanks.

For sure though as you've said we try to show the new hunters the plusses and minuses of different shooting styles/forms and "strongly encourage" them to practice.

We're good to shoot most small game as well as grouse, ptarmigan and turkeys with rimfires here and we really encourage that too. Our girls shot as many grouse as the daily limits and populations allowed - always with a scoped .22 and our house rules were head, neck or nick the top of the wing butts. It absolutely helped them be better at shooting deer in a timely fashion. Head shots on rabbits is the same in my opinion.

As I age I can tell I'm not as quick getting off shots on big game as I used to be, but I still burn lots of powder from sitting or leaning on a post so I stay as efficient as an old boomer can be, you know? wink

The young millennial neighbor I'm teaching how to handload and hunt is doing remarkably well considering the instructor/mentor he's stuck with... blush

One of our daughters is the tail end of millennials and the other is the start of the next group. I'd not volunteer to stand in front of either one of them regardless of the rest they were using. Just can't see that being a fine idea.

All the best.

Dwayne


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deflave;
Me again - sorry.

Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll have to see if I can find a copy out there.

If you've not read Cooper's "The Art of the Rifle" he covers a lot of practical rifle shooting stuff in it, but yah, he is a bit "stuffy" perhaps in his writing. One does get the impression however that the good Colonel could hit what he was shooting at.

The aforementioned young neighbor borrowed mine and said he learned a lot from it, or at least thought it was a worthwhile read as a newer shooter.

Thanks again.

Dwayne


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I think some folks believe gear can make up for lack of skill, and that some others are afraid of trying anything new.

Dont care what people use.

But when hunting, proper placement on shot #1 is the game.

Do think a lot of new shooters arent hunters and just try to mimick tv/ movies. They seem to really enjoy making noise.

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Originally Posted by deflave
If somebody wants to be a well rounded shooter, they should be adept in the offhand.

Yep. And understand that a sling isn't just a carry strap, or shouldn't be.


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Meh, you can't hit anything with that $500 M12 with the cheap-ass press-on barrel. grin


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Originally Posted by BC30cal
deflave;
Thanks for the reply, we're doing better than we deserve thanks.

For sure though as you've said we try to show the new hunters the plusses and minuses of different shooting styles/forms and "strongly encourage" them to practice.

We're good to shoot most small game as well as grouse, ptarmigan and turkeys with rimfires here and we really encourage that too. Our girls shot as many grouse as the daily limits and populations allowed - always with a scoped .22 and our house rules were head, neck or nick the top of the wing butts. It absolutely helped them be better at shooting deer in a timely fashion. Head shots on rabbits is the same in my opinion.

As I age I can tell I'm not as quick getting off shots on big game as I used to be, but I still burn lots of powder from sitting or leaning on a post so I stay as efficient as an old boomer can be, you know? wink

The young millennial neighbor I'm teaching how to handload and hunt is doing remarkably well considering the instructor/mentor he's stuck with... blush

One of our daughters is the tail end of millennials and the other is the start of the next group. I'd not volunteer to stand in front of either one of them regardless of the rest they were using. Just can't see that being a fine idea.

All the best.

Dwayne

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It's all about the reps!

Regardless of chosen discipline.


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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by BC30cal
deflave;
Me again - sorry.

Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll have to see if I can find a copy out there.

If you've not read Cooper's "The Art of the Rifle" he covers a lot of practical rifle shooting stuff in it, but yah, he is a bit "stuffy" perhaps in his writing. One does get the impression however that the good Colonel could hit what he was shooting at.

The aforementioned young neighbor borrowed mine and said he learned a lot from it, or at least thought it was a worthwhile read as a newer shooter.

Thanks again.

Dwayne

I'm a 180 from most anything Cooper taught.

Seems like an intelligent guy, but I think a lot of his teaching was high on theory and low on practical application.


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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
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Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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If somebody wants to be a well rounded shooter, they should be adept in the offhand.

Yep. And understand that a sling isn't just a carry strap, or shouldn't be.

Position shooting with a sling is one of the slowest methods an individual could use to obtain stability in the field.


Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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