Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Have any weapons used in mass shootings been acquired illegally?

Kinda got into it at work with a guy who claimed the Uvalde shooter bought his AR (actually a “machine gun” but we won’t go into that) without passing a background check. “It was Texas, you don’t need a background check to buy a machine gun in Texas.”

Well, it’s a Federal form, not a state form.

“Not at a gun show.”

I don’t know about other states, but Oregon requires a 4473 on all firearm transfers, private or commercial. And the crazy fück passed a BGC on both his AR purchases. Legal purchases.

Got me thinking, have any of the weapons used in mass shootings (not including Chitcago, of course) been acquired illegally? And I know, some kids swiped the gun from mom or dad, but did mom or dad buy the gun legally?

As far as I know, none of the guns used in mass shootings were purchased without a background check.

Any info?




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That is a sensible question that is forbidden to be asked
It does not fit with their agenda about Gun Confiscation Woops I mean Gun Control.

The Uvalde shooter did pass a background check for his weapons that were purchased from a licensed dealer, and DID NOT posses a machinegun. Basically, anyone who is of legal age and no felony history and no admitted or documented history of drug use or mental issues can pass a federal background check. This is a federal form that is the same in any state.

The Media feeds lies about "machine guns" to sheeple.

Of course there have been a few, including Uvalde. Thinking otherwise would be foolish.

The El Paseo shooter could be considered to have purchased his illegally. The military neglected to forward his psych discharge to the state or to NICS. He was SUPPOSED to be barred from purchase, but, as usual, the .gov failed to do their job and follow their own rules.

Sandy Hook kid stole his parents (mother's?) rifle.

MSD kid was involuntarily evaluated multiple times, but the psych hospital refused to admit him-so much for the effectiveness of "red flag" laws. He too should have been, if the .gov followed their own talking points, barred from purchase.

The Highland Park shooter "legally" passed a background check to purchase his weapons. Really? He's had a "State issued Pot card" well before he bought the guns, so somebody dropped the ball in this case.

Yes, individual "fast and furious" .gov "ball dropping".

But as usual, the law abiding are the ones that need dealt with...

SO ask this guy: If there's a "Gun Show Loophole" since 1968, WHY hasn't the President closed that by EO??? BECAUSE it doesn't exist, never has...

There were a couple of Journalists in Washington that wanted to "expose" the gun show loophole, and guess what?? They wrote that it's not possible for honest law abiding people to get guns illegally,.

That recent kid passed background DESPITE the domestic red flags.. All they're doing is exposing the fallacy of the back ground check...

Can you provide a cite for the pot card info. Would be very helpful in combating the libtards at the local fishwrap and the MSM Hogwash TV station locally.

Lots of misinformation about background checks, paperwork and loopholes.

IIRC - recent shooters have purchased guns after going through the process. IMO - this is by design. The people putting them up to it or once on the radar of the .gov - they let it through. Why? Legal misuse of the weapon creates a strong case for banning the weapon itself. They WANT people to know these were bought legally - makes them scarier and takes away the "if we just enforced the laws we have, no need for new laws" rebuttal.

Wasn’t this basically the same scenario for the Sutherland Springs Tx. Church Shooter?

I don’t know about the “pot” card, but he was visited twice by LE, once for attempted suicide and once for threading to kill his family, at which time the cops confisticated 16 knives a dagger and a sword.

Yet, after this, he still was allowed to purchase 5 firearms.

Looks like IL Red Flag law is only as useful as the cops that use it.

You can buy anything you want in Texas without a background check. Its a fact Jack !

Personal sales no background checks are needed in Texas.

Now if he buys from a dealer/store, he will get a check and if he filled out the form and had a “pot card” then we can see who is responsible.

And, FTF sales have occurred even between members of this forum inside states similar to Texas, and Texas.

The Sandy Hook shooter killed his mother and used her stolen guns to shoot up the school. He tried buying a rifle and the gun shop wouldn’t sell him one.

You can buy anything you want in any State without a background check. In Tennessee the onus is on the seller to make sure the buyer is legal, but one thief selling to another is NOT going to make sure of that.

Laws only work with the law abiding. Criminals do not obey laws.

Under Obama.

We had a lot of guns (rifles - revolvers & pistols) sold to gun runners. Gun stores from Arizona and New Mexico possible The El Paso area were involved.

A few of the Guns shops reported the sales (I believe that they called them straw sales at the time) to the FBI and they were informed to keep selling. And that the FBI was tracking the sales and individuals to see where the guns need up.

I wonder how that worked out?

The 50 caliber rifles were used by the drug cartel to shoot at helicopters to keep them away from groups of smugglers (drug mules) at the time.

The president, the justice department, department of home land security, FBI, CIA, Senators and congress men were in the loop.

The Border Patrol and local Sheriff department were the ones holding the bag at the time.

And there it is.

LIKE ...

The purpose of Red Flag Laws is to take guns away from regular Americans, not from freaks.