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I like Model 10s. I've got a few. A few years ago I bought a round butt, 4" heavy barrel police trade in down at Buds. I put some Ahrends grips on it. Generally speaking, the 4" heavy barrels aren't my favorite configuration. I wouldn't have bought this one but it was a round butt version in very good condition and at the time Bud was letting them go for $240.

The heavy barrel and the finger grooved Ahrend grips on the round butt frame makes it very ergonomic and comfortable to shoot even with *my* .38 special loads. (which won't be found in a data manual)

Its fixed sights hit dead on point of aim at 30' with 158s over 7 grains of AA#5 and it'll keep a cylinder full inside of 3" without exceptional concentration with that load.

It's far from being my prettiest K frame. It has a MIM trigger and hammer and there's no pin in the barrel.

But it's a keeper.

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I like those myself, though I don't own any. That one seems to be the best configuration for my own tastes, too. I like the roundbutt K-frames a lot, especially with a 4" barrel.


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I've got a 3" model 64 NY1. I really wish it was a 357, but the buttery DAO and general handiness keep me from parting with it. Guess I'll feed it Underwood Ammo and keep it for hard times.


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I like them too, but I have enough Ruger Service Sixes and Speed Sixes to justify any more that are similar.


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Not a damned thing wrong with it. If it serves you well, it's a keeper. I'm sure it has a nice smooth double action, too.


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Nice gun, Bristoe. I like bull barrel round butt Model 10's. Have not been able to find one in the right conditions at a good price. Of course, I'm only passively looking. But I would buy one if I found the right one.


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Thats a nice one Bristoe. Sounds like you have it dialed in as far as load it likes. I have 1 thats in rougher shape than yours and sports the factory grips but shoots acceptably. Occasionally throw it in the center console of the truck as a back up.

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Very cool Bristoe, one of my favs is the late 10-7 pencil barrel without the pin.

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My Smiths tend to be N frames, my only K being a 617. I also have a 317. If a 10 like Bristoe’s showed up at the right time, it might follow me home.



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My M10-5 is definitely a keeper. 6 shots at 12 yds. 45 year old revolver bought on gunbroker last year for $405. I think it was a good deal.

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I have a 3" heavy barrel, round butt M64 that is the cat's azz. Once I get to the 4" barrel I really like the pencil barrels best. But I can appreciate all of them. A long time ago I was issued a M13 4" heavy barrel that shot really well. The barrel was scratched all to hell, seems the guy that had it ahead of me used the pistol to knock all the glass out of a window to make entry into a burning house to get a kid out of a back bedroom. I know another guy that was transporting a prisoner on a cold winter night along an old county road that the police radios couldn't reach out. This was way before cell phones. The copper got a flat tire out there in the boonies and couldn't find a jack handle for the jack. He unloaded his M13 and stuck the barrel in the jack and got the tire high enough to change his flat out. Put a serious bend in the gun from what I was told.


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I have never owned a Smith and Wesson. I've fired my friend's guns - he has quite a few. A blued M10 with the heavy barrel has always been on my list but I've never gotten around to it. It's the quintessential .38 Spl.



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"Never owned a Smith and Wesson...". Can't wrap my head around that. smile


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Originally Posted by CrimsonTide
I've got a 3" model 64 NY1. I really wish it was a 357, but the buttery DAO and general handiness keep me from parting with it. Guess I'll feed it Underwood Ammo and keep it for hard times.

Well,...far be it from me to suggest non standard loads. But if you're not hesitant to shoot factory "warm" loads (Underwood) in your modern K-frame 38s, you might find 7 grains of AA#5 over 158s to be very satisfying. It's just a little tweak above what the Speer manual calls a +P. (They call 6.6 grains of #5 with swaged lead 158s a +P load that comes in under 20,000 PSI.)

Graf & Sons have the Hornady swaged 158 grain SWCHPs in stock for a reasonable tariff. My foundings with AA#5 tells me that the Hornady 158 grain swaged SWCHP over 7 grains of AA#5 in your modern K-frame would result in a right respectable FBI load.

My opinion, a Modern K-frame .357 (model 13 & 19) aren't even a bit stronger than a modern K-frame .38,...and people have been pushing 35,000,..even 40,000 PSI through K-frame .357s for a long time. (full tilt .357s will loosen up a model 13/19 toot sweet, but they won't blow one up)

The 7 grain AA#5 load with 158 swaged bullets is probably way down around 21,000 PSI. Way below the loads that people have been shooting through Model 19/13s for many years.

As for all that mumbo jumbo about K-frame .357s being made out of superior steel than the Modern K-frame 38s,...bullshit. All the magic about tool steel has been over since the early 60s. All typical tool steels cost about the same. From a manufacturing standpoint, it wouldn't be cost effective to fabricate essentially the same revolver out of two kinds of steel. Just pick the best one and go with it,....same machining characteristics,..same heat treat procedure. Why would a manufacturer complicate the manufacturing process by using different steels when the cost of all tool steels are essentially the same? It makes no sense.

Back in the old days when new steels were first coming available, firearm manufacturers experimented with different steels for their revolvers. But the old days were a long time ago.

Other than a few cosmetics and the depth their cylinders are bored, there's no difference between a modern Model 10s and modern Model 19/13s.

S&W soon learned that a K-frame .357 wouldn't hold up very long with 35,000 to 40,000 PSI loads. That's what caused them to produce the 586/686 series.

But both a modern K-frame .38 *and* a modern .357 K-frame will handle 21,000 PSI all day long.

21,000 to 25,000 PSI is a good place for .38/.357 loads to be when they're shot through a modern K-frame S&W. 35,000 to 40,000 is too much for them regardless of what the stamping on the barrel says,..and the old standard 17,000 PSI loads aren't enough to realize their potential.

7 grains of AA#5, 158 grain swaged Hornady SWCHPs. You'll like them.

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Many thanks, brother B!


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Originally Posted by MOGC
"Never owned a Smith and Wesson...". Can't wrap my head around that. smile


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