24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 4 of 5 1 2 3 4 5
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,314
W
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
W
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,314
When I looked on the Lee site they were out of stock.
I got 200 Hornady 200JFP with the gun so I am good for a while. Bu I do have several hundred of the Speer 180 JFP in .358" in case I decide to try the 180 grain loads over the standard 200 grain bullet.

BP-B2

Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,334
D
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
D
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,334


Medics bury their mistakes..
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 765
E
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
E
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 765
They are out of the Classic kit because the size is a custom order . That's why it is $50 . I would take them 8 weeks to get you one made according to their site . I might order one in .349 or .350 today and see . They have traditionally delivered faster on anything custom I have ordered than their original estimate. I have my dads Lee cast classic press so I might order one of the Breech Lock sets also if I can determine which body I need. I currently have plenty of bullets to last a good while but I ain't taking any chances . I shoot two .35 caliber cartridges so I have lots of bullets on hand and they are in stock way more often than .348 . Gonna get some of the Fury bullets also but they are not cheap. Can use the resized .358's for early stages of working up a load then finish with the more expensive premiums.


Grumpy old man with a gun.....Do not touch .
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Don't bother my monument and I'll leave yours alone.
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761


USMC 0351

We know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 33,530
E
EdM Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
E
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 33,530
May want to take a peak at Northern Precision. They have been around for a while though I have never used their product.


Conduct is the best proof of character.
IC B2

Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 118
P
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
P
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 118
I have factory Remington and Winchester listed in the classifieds

Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 668
Campfire Regular
OP Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 668
Have laid in some extra 348 new W-W brass along with ABW bonded 250 gr bullets. Those Fury 220 gr bonded bullets might just
be the cat's meow as the weight is about perfect.
Don't forget Hawk in NJ-there heavy bullets work on game. Killed a large Alaskan moose with a 270 gr Hawk a few years back. This was in 270 gr Ackley Imp,
one heck of a cartridge in the Model 71.

One last piece of golden advice for handloading the .348 WCF: obtain a Lee factory crimp die for jacketed bullets. You will be glad you did.
The M-71 has a strong magazine spring. Bullets must stay in place, which the Lee FC die insures. ( Just got 3 boxes of 33 WCF from HAWK-1886 rifles.)


Khe Sanh-1971 5th Special Forces Gp(ABN) MACVSOG

Last edited by 450Fuller; 08/07/22.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena-not the critic"-T. Roosevelt
There are no atheists in fox holes or in the open doors of a para's aircraft.....
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,334
D
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
D
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 7,334
I just acquired 3 (100ct) boxes of Hornady 200gr JFP bullets. PM me if interested. I certainly won't shoot them all now that I have loaded up all my extra brass with Fury 220s.

Thanks, Dinny


Medics bury their mistakes..
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 117
O
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
O
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 117
What powder are you loading your 220 Furys with ?.....How fast are you running them ? Just wondering ..........

Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761
Originally Posted by Oskerspap12
What powder are you loading your 220 Furys with ?.....How fast are you running them ? Just wondering ..........

Funny you should ask....I need to post up some data but just haven't taken the time.

I shot 200gr Hornady and 220 Fury into gallon water jugs to compare. 348 AI.


The Hornady impact velocity was 2,600 fps. Ended up in 4th jug. Ave dia .70". Retained 68%


Fury impact velocity was 2,450 fps. Ended up in 5th jug. Ave dia .53". Retained 57%. Could go faster with the Fury, but these were the first I loaded so went conservative. After seeing the results, would not push them faster for short range impacts.


So the Hornady impacted at 125 fps higher velocity, held a larger mushroom and retained more weight, vs the bonded Fury.

Go figure.

Not saying the Fury won't kill smaller stuff as well or better (a number of fragments captured in the jugs), but the devastation to the first couple of jugs was certainly more obvious from the faster and larger mushroomed Hornady.

Just based on this, I would keep the Fury 220 for deer. I have 250 ABW and Barnes for larger game. I have asked Fury if they will do a 250gr. They said "maybe". I am going to recommend they thicken the jackets, and if they are not pure copper, perhaps make them a little more malleable. They seem to shatter.

Also just for grins, did a 150gr Woodleigh from the 30-30. Impact velocity 2,500. 4 jugs, dia .675 weight retention 91%. It was perfect.

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]


USMC 0351

We know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
IC B3

Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761
Sorry about the pic orientation. I am an old Luddite - that's my story and I am sticking to it.

I was using IMR 4350, but the load date is specific to my Ackley improved...so not really interested in putting it out there in the public forum. PM if you want specifics.


Tim

EDIT: I had the chronograph screens a few feet in front of the jugs....so velocities are actual impact.

Last edited by Tarbe; 09/16/22.

USMC 0351

We know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761
I did load up a few more 220gr Fury at a little lower velocity to see how they will do in the jug test.

If I can get that ruptured hydraulic hose replaced and enough dirt moved, I might have time to play in the water tomorrow. lol


USMC 0351

We know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,883
1
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
1
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,883
These early reports lead me to think the 220 grain Fury will work well on deer and lung shot elk. I have never used my .348 AI, but have a bunch of heavy jacketed 250 grain bullets from the long gone Alaska Bullet Works company that I got to use on Alaskan moose and bears.

Should hit like a heavy loaded .35 Whelen and the super bonded ABW bullet has a reputation for high weight retention and deep penetration, that's a good thing.

Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,314
W
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
W
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,314
It sure seems that for whitetails, the Hornady 200 is the way to go.

Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761
Originally Posted by WStrayer
It sure seems that for whitetails, the Hornady 200 is the way to go.

I am still shocked that the Hornady hit the jugs at 150fps faster than the Fury, yet still retained 68% vs the Fury at 57%!


USMC 0351

We know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 42,489
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 42,489
The Hornady 200s are a FINE bullet in the 348. Our own North61 flattened a very nice moose at close to 200 yards with one shot with that bullet and the recovered pill held together really well.


A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,761
Originally Posted by jorgeI
The Hornady 200s are a FINE bullet in the 348. Our own North61 flattened a very nice moose at close to 200 yards with one shot with that bullet and the recovered pill held together really well.

Agreed!

I am sitting on a little over 800 of them, and would not sell them for a dollar each.

I sure wish they would bring them back.


USMC 0351

We know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,312
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,312
When I acquired my Browning 348, I found some Hornady 200 grain bullets. But I found more Barnes 220 grain bullets. It seemed wise to me that the load development would be with the Barnes. I lucked onto a good combination right away. With iron sights I was getting 1” groups at 50 Meters, that’s good for me and my old eyes.
I loaded up 40. I hope to shoot a doe with it this fall. I’m also taking a 35 Remington Marlin and a Mauser 98 375 Whelen AI, all with iron sights. The 375 will be shooting 235 grain SPEER’s and the 336 will be shooting 200 grain Interlocks. The GF&P’s allowed more doe tags for this area so I have four tags. I’ll be giving away most of the meat to some one I know who will put it to good use - he often gets extra mouths - from the reservation - to feed.


I prefer classic.
Semper Fi
I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,312
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,312
Here’s what a gas check load at 50 meters can do. My 71 has an aperture rear sight and factory front sight.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


I prefer classic.
Semper Fi
I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,629
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,629
Originally Posted by Bugger
Here’s what a gas check load at 50 meters can do. My 71 has an aperture rear sight and factory front sight.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


Bugger would you happen to know the speed you pushing them 200 grainers ?

Page 4 of 5 1 2 3 4 5

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
YB23

Who's Online Now
789 members (12344mag, 10gaugemag, 007FJ, 160user, 10ring1, 10gaugeman, 83 invisible), 3,165 guests, and 1,273 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,187,708
Posts18,400,128
Members73,820
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 







Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.142s Queries: 16 (0.006s) Memory: 0.9025 MB (Peak: 1.0723 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-03-29 01:10:45 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS