Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire A game changer, maybe: Cannabis Reform Bill

Yep, and successful, because of their work ethics! Those that are lazy, would be lazy, with or without, booze and pot. There has been worthless people since the beginning.

Actually and factually just about everything fedgov now regulates comes under states’ rights constitutionally. Quoting:

The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution says, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

That’d be a good campaign slogan. Unique.

Give me a line that is right, Jim.

We would be much better off if alcohol, tobacco, gambling, and all recreational drugs.... were non-existent.

But I can't see a way that should be considered in a free society.

On the religious track, if you believe, God could have controlled our
actions completely. But he gave us free will.


So, do we have a right to ban anything?

Or, do we simply eliminate prescriptions, throw the door open,
And let Oxycodone be sold like Tic-Tacs?

I made a big jump there, but where is the line?

Do we allow pot, but no more?
What about THC level?

If pot is ok, Hash should be. Same thing right?


I guaranfuckintee you that within 5 years...wait. I think I have already
heard of some "crazy" folks that want to legalize harder stuff.

The numbers just don't support prohibition at all.

Marywanna madness propaganda will live in infamy, then greedy gooberment will tax it until the crime will continue,
Gotta keep alla them coppers working, eating up them tax dollars, so's we can all feel safer.


Insanity at its finest

I agree that as a society we would be better off without all of it. Same as you I don’t see a way for the Feds to be legitimately involved and people to some degree can and will do what they’ll do. Society should protect freedom above all else but I won’t go hardcore libertarian. A society can’t function in a fee for all absent any moral standards or societal norms. Our founders said as much.

I think without question marijuana is nowhere near as destructive individually or societally as hard drugs. Marijuana isn’t something that people steal, prostitute, neglect there kids (unless already so inclined) ruin their lives over or commit crimes to obtain anymore than alcohol.

I think I’m hearing you say that it’s a states rights issue and completely agree. IMO it should be handled with the drug courts and rehab for non violent addicts at the state level. Using doesn’t need to be made a crime but if a person is committing crimes to pay for the habit, getting high in public, neglecting their children, panhandling, sleeping or crapping on public streets ect offering rehab programs in leu of jail time makes sense to me. Dealers should face stronger jail or prison sentences. When states or cities allow a free for all it just creates misery for everyone.

Lemming,

I don't know what the heck you hear me say.
Hell, I dont have a position I can feel solid arguing.

I'm against legalization, but not sure how pot stacks up compared
to alcohol.

Or, barring legal booze as a standard, the societal ramifications of
legal pot.


Or, the F'ed up effects of making every stoner carrying around a
"normal" amount of weed legal. When, they have taxed it so much
that Cartels are taking over the domestic production or still importing
it illegally. That, creates the worst possible crime situation.


Honestly there are so many things to consider
that I question the intelligence or integrity of those who give an
immediate, unqualified answer.

That was Bob Dole's campaign slogan, wasn't it?

If we enforced civil conduct, you could legalize drugs and all would be well, because drug addicts who loitered or camped in non-camping areas, or otherwise behaved in ways not consistent with civil order, would be arrested and jailed. The standard should be, use whatever drugs you like, but we are holding you 100% accountable for your actions without regard to your drug use.

Legalize it or not, everyone here I hope understands the The Mob or some form of organized crime will run it from production to distribution to retail. More weed will be sold out the back door than the front door.

This is not going to be Cheech and Chong with a green house running a neighborhood weed shop as a small business.

Hemp was grown by George Washington, but he, as POTUS, organized an ad hoc army, led by General Lee's father, and marched against illegal stills (Whiskey Rebellion). FWIW.

Organized crime only deals in illegal products.

Glad to know that. I was misinformed evidently. I rest better with the knowledge the Mob never ran Vegas, or legal prostitution in Nevada. Never used legit businesses as fronts for nefarious activities.👌

If it was it didn’t do him much good. Thinking that was The Era of Lame Republicans wasn’t it?

A comment on previous analogies. JMHO but equating and comparing marijuana to alcohol brings no truth to any discussion. These two are so different in both short term and long term effect they shouldn’t be used in the same sentence. This goes for the individual user as well as society. As I said before it’s been decades since I smoked reefer and my only personal interest now would be for pain management IF it is effective and IF it is legal. As far as legality is concerned the government is going to get their cut. I’d personally prefer the “commercial” version to be tax stamped while allowing personal use garden growing . Kill the illegal growers profits and they will be gone.

Processed opioids & coca and amphetamines are a completely different realm. Have nothing good to say about non prescription usage.

TRH,

If our little newspaper didn't put DUI, drug possession, and drug and alcohol
fueled crimes in the police report, it would be a couple thefts. Some weeks
it wouldn't exist. As is, it's about 1/3 of a page weekly.




hatari,
When they legalized medical here, a guy who has a Maryland
"Legal" grow business bought the old leather car seat plant.
All 275,000 sqft.

Total remodel, made it 3 stories instead of the high ceiling, equipped it
wall to wall despite his initial claims that he only needed 1/4 of the
original footage for production. Which, has held true.

Rumor has it he is building a "motel" to house migrant workers, and a building that fits the rumor has recently started going up near the plant.
In a place no tourist is going to stay.

It would appear his original plan was for the eventual recreational market.
And, there is a tremendous amount of money available for investment
in a business that doesn't exist and doesn't have a clear timeline for
a beginning, or any return on investment. No to mention that getting
permitted, while likely as an existing grow, isn't even a sure thing when
legalization occurs.



Makes one wonder about that $$$.

But, not really.

Right now, that whole business is technically Orginized Crime.
On a scale and in the open, like never seen before.






Shootem,


"Hard" drugs are much different, 100% agree.

But, can we draw a line that will hold for 100 years?

Medical pot was the toe through the door.

Despite pot not having a medical history, scientifically.

Cocaine and Opiates most certainly do have that medical history.
With certain opiates being available over the counter as recently
as the beginning of the Opiate Epidemic.
We had several pharmacies making a stomach medicine to be used
when you had the puking shïts, and sold OTC. It had an opiate component
that now requires an Rx.

All things weed were invented in BC, since it was decriminalized I see........big money put into the industry, just as fast..... big money lost in the industry and after the initial group hug, the reality of a flooded market has it sorting itself out.

Regulation requires time and money, the smaller "mom and pops" are under no such regulation and weed can be purchased from the "mom and pops" cheaper than from the regulated vendors.

Previously, weed was the number 1 industry in BC ahead of logging and mining, not anymore. I think the idea of decriminalizing weed was a political move to pander for votes, but really has just shifted things around like a shell game...pot shops struggling or going broke.

Weed has gone from $2,000+ a pound to $500 a pound so.....if anything has changed it has freed up law enforcement for other things.

And the way I see it, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

And maybe some agencies could be cut to save some taxes on us peons?

Who knows about 100 years. Most likely our understanding of life that far ahead is similar to Homo Erectus’ understanding of where we are now. Societal changes and technology now progress logarithmically. A century now equals a millennium in the past. I wouldn’t fit in I’m sure.

I’ll agree medical was a test balloon for non-medical use. But I’ll hold that we really don’t know what medicinal benefits exist in derivatives of the plant. The lid has been on tight for a long long time. Pharma companies making big bucks on synthetics probably have been lobbying against legalization for decades. With federal legalization, and it’s coming, I expect research to bump up in anticipation of a new “holistic” medical market slot. That can’t be bad. There’s no doubt in my mind it is effective for maladies currently being treated with such drugs as Xanax, Valium, phenergan, and some pain meds. And addiction is way down the ladder of possibility compared to benzodiazepines and opioids.

Interesting about cocaine. Many folks don’t know there is a thing called pharmaceutical cocaine. It’s a #1 level topical anesthetic particularly for facial work. Way far back in another world I was doing service work on some anesthesia machines in the OR Suite one evening of a small town hospital. I heard one of the nurses call down the hall “I’m locking the drug cabinet, is anything still out?” Another nurse that had been buttoning up the room I was working in said “wait a minute, I need to bring the cocaine”. I said to the effect, no kidding? What do you use cocaine for? She smiled and said “The nurses ;)”

Is the opiate sold over the counter paregoric? I can remember my mother trying to give me a dose of that for something and I heaved. Couldn’t stand even the smell from then on.

Add lawyers and for profit prison enterprises in the mix too. Treatment centers make bucks too. Then the politicians on the take getting their cut.