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You all really think the govt is gonna shut down the automobile manufacturing industry?



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Living here in the sticks, will there be a couple functional rifles and ammo therein when we're ready for a camping trip?

I also assume I'll not be responsible for repairs/tires/maintenance.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
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You can see it as an "attack on car ownership" or as a capitalism in action. Someone is seeing a market for a service and filling the void.

People who live in big cites don't necessarily need a car. The cost of parking a car in a place like NYC is prohibitive for some people who only would use it occasionally.

If there's an unmet need, someone will fill it and make money. Capitalism at work.
I’m just not to sure how well the capitalistic model is represented when .gov controls the all variables that direct and guide a "free market".


Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?
Seriously? What variables does the .gov not control in one form or another?


Great non-answer.
Ok, what would it take for the .gov to implement enough bs hoops and price inhibitive regulations to get you to reconsider your desire/need/ financial feasibility to own and operate a private vehicle? Or do you think that’s too far fetched?
I think realistically a lot of people are going to be facing that "choice" in the not so distant future.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
You all really think the govt is gonna shut down the automobile manufacturing industry?
You still don’t get it do you?

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Originally Posted by smokepole
You all really think the govt is gonna shut down the automobile manufacturing industry?
The big money is made in disruption, not mature industry.


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I remember back 30 years or so ago when I was a kid and I had a go-cart.

It was some sort illegal act or road faux pas to ride it on city streets.

I grew up in a series of trailer parks and subdivisions. Dah-Dah was in the army, we didnt have 12,000 acres or a Little Debbie truck parked outside.

So anyway, I enjoyed no freedoms to ride my machine with risk of govt confiscation and penalties.

But ya know…now a days….I see fatfoucks and little punk kids with jiggly man titties bouncing up and down and hauling ASSSSSSS up and down state and county roads with no jack booted harrassment. “I gots me little orange thingie ons de back, Im untouchable “ whut in the fuuuuck.

A lot of us pioneers has to take the brunt of punishments, attacks by Indians and Karens and now it
/ easy and no big deal for fleshy fat foucks in their 31,000$ kubota four seater crew cab to run up to the market for Cünt Brothers pizza and Sonoma $3 ciggs.

They should get chased through fields and construction sites and dry creek beds by Deputy Cleatus like I had to put up with. Hide in the woods for 2 hours till fatfouck deputy got hungry and left. Some easy livin for these mfers today.

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The OP article misses something. It says that cars are only being driven 4% of the time. That's probably true, but it ignores the 8 hours that it's sitting in a company parking lot while you're working. It's not on the road but it is in use as your work transportation. To return it to your home for another driver to use would require another driver. It will also double the miles driven because someone will have to drive it back to your work 8 hours later.
What they're looking at is public transportation, taxis and buses. Suburbia has killed off buses in this country. It would take a huge number of buses and new bus stops to service our suburbs enough to get people to use it. In a city with houses or apartments in close contact, it can and does work but most Americans don't live crowded together like that.


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Originally Posted by MarineHawk
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like the article says, our automobiles sit 95% of the time but we pay for them 100% of the time. In reality, a small number of cars could serve a very large community.

For those who drive their vehicles 5% of the time, they also last 20 times longer than ride-share vehicles driven 100% of the time. Many in this country value freedom a lot. And there's nothing that says freedom as simply as me being able to get into my own vehicle anytime I want and go wherever I want.


I don't see any reason for ownership to go away. Towing a boat, trailer or camper is going to be a need for some. I'd hate to give up my truck for towing and carrying. Some people will need a car for their own business. But the difference in how long they last is you won't pay for a ride share vehicle, or the insurance on it or the maintenance. That will of course be covered in the fee when you use it, but for some people, that is going to be a much lower cost of ownership. Also, the reasons why you'd want to leave may change as well. Amazon or Wal Mart having drones deliver whatever you want within a few hours of ordering it, your local grocery or restaurant bringing stuff to your home. The need for "going out" may change quite a bit.

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It isn’t a “concern” for auto manufacturers. It’s a future business model. Instead of making and selling 100 cars through dealers and all that they’ll make 20 cars and run their own ride sharing businesses. Instead of having dealers and all that rigamarole, they’ll do away with all the middlemen and the costs. Instead of having cars that are bought and eventually paid for, they’ll make cheap econo boxes for which the payments are never ending. You, instead of paying $700 a month for a car you own and can eventually pay out, will pay $500 a month in perpetuity directly to Ford, GM, or Toyota for the privilege of sharing one of those other cars with half the town. And of course, you’ll not have much choice because the only cars available to private individuals will cost $500k.

That way, we reduce the congestion and pollution while still allowing the rich to enjoy their convenience and freedom. You proles will have adjust your lifestyles accordingly.

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I wouldn't want to share a car with somebody I've seen some of you f****** drive...

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Originally Posted by slumlord
I remember back 30 years or so ago when I was a kid and I had a go-cart.

It was some sort illegal act or road faux pas to ride it on city streets.

I grew up in a series of trailer parks and subdivisions. Dah-Dah was in the army, we didnt have 12,000 acres or a Little Debbie truck parked outside.

So anyway, I enjoyed no freedoms to ride my machine with risk of govt confiscation and penalties.

But ya know…now a days….I see fatfoucks and little punk kids with jiggly man titties bouncing up and down and hauling ASSSSSSS up and down state and county roads with no jack booted harrassment. “I gots me little orange thingie ons de back, Im untouchable “ whut in the fuuuuck.

A lot of us pioneers has to take the brunt of punishments, attacks by Indians and Karens and now it
/ easy and no big deal for fleshy fat foucks in their 31,000$ kubota four seater crew cab to run up to the market for Cünt Brothers pizza and Sonoma $3 ciggs.

They should get chased through fields and construction sites and dry creek beds by Deputy Cleatus like I had to put up with. Hide in the woods for 2 hours till fatfouck deputy got hungry and left. Some easy livin for these mfers today.

as a kid I used to ride all over the county on my Honda XL. Never really feared too much from the police but one time I was at an intersection and a local sheriff had died and I was unlucky enough to be facing his funeral procession coming at me with probably 8 police cars in tow. I pulled off on the side of the road and took my hat off as a sign of respect. I was sure I was going to get something from that. They just let me do my thing. I have been known to cu thru a soybean field or two to avoid a state trooper coming down the road though.


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Originally Posted by JoeBob
It isn’t a “concern” for auto manufacturers. It’s a future business model. Instead of making and selling 100 cars through dealers and all that they’ll make 20 cars and run their own ride sharing businesses. Instead of having dealers and all that rigamarole, they’ll do away with all the middlemen and the costs. Instead of having cars that are bought and eventually paid for, they’ll make cheap econo boxes for which the payments are never ending. You, instead of paying $700 a month for a car you own and can eventually pay out, will pay $500 a month in perpetuity directly to Ford, GM, or Toyota for the privilege of sharing one of those other cars with half the town. And of course, you’ll not have much choice because the only cars available to private individuals will cost $500k.

That way, we reduce the congestion and pollution while still allowing the rich to enjoy their convenience and freedom. You proles will have adjust your lifestyles accordingly.


that may happen but I can tell you its a huge concern for them now and its reflected in how we do business with them. Ride sharing and autonomous automobiles, especially technology driven from companies other than the big 3, has the big 3 concerned about where they invest. I think they have a better handle on it now than they did a couple of years ago but their spending approach was very bearish just before covid.

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Originally Posted by Beoceorl
The communist/socialist of this world have a well known aversion to personal ownership of anything.
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I thought it was a slight anomaly that a random old lady at church had never driven a car. Different time for those type folks. Stay at home, make pies, and keep your pie hole shut. You don’t need to go anywhere.


But now, I know of several almost 20 year old young persons. Mostly associations of my kids’ friends. 19,20,22 years old.

No license, no car, never took the test, scare to drive.

There apparently is a lot of those types now

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Originally Posted by Beoceorl
The communist/socialist of this world have a well known aversion to personal ownership of anything.

Except for themselves. Then it's the more the merrier!!!


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Originally Posted by Cariboujack
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The communist/socialist of this world have a well known aversion to personal ownership of anything.

Except for themselves. Then it's the more the merrier!!!

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Originally Posted by smokepole
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Which variables does the government control that affect your ability to own a car if you want to?


WOW!! Where to start. Gubmint operators permit, gubmint vehicle registration, gubmint tax on vehicle, tax on every replacement part (double tax on tires), tax on transportation of the vehicle or part, tax on the labor to install or build, import tax. Gubmint tax on fuel (gas, diesel or LPG). Gubmint seat belt laws, gubmint traffic laws, gubmint age restrictions, gubmint competency requirements ...

If you don't follow gubmints rules you are going to lose your "freedom" and share a cell w/ Bubba.


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Originally Posted by slumlord
I thought it was a slight anomaly that a random old lady at church had never driven a car. Different time for those type folks. Stay at home, make pies, and keep your pie hole shut. You don’t need to go anywhere.


But now, I know of several almost 20 year old young persons. Mostly associations of my kids’ friends. 19,20,22 years old.

No license, no car, never took the test, scare to drive.

There apparently is a lot of those types now

Yup, bunches.
As long as they know somebody else w a license, its cool.
Or so they think.

My kids were not gung ho on driving. But when they figured out there was stuff to do and travel/ independence mandated driving......they got w the program.

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Socialism is for the people, not the socialist.

That's been a fact ... throughout history.

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So...the noble auto makers....who bankrupted us in the early 2000's...need our support now more than ever?


Fugg those people in the neck.

BTW...once the can make better profits on electric...the big three will abandon gasoline.


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