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Can you take some selfies with it? Preferably you naked, with pouty lips, oh and wear cowboy boots thanks!

The only thing that made any sense in that scene were the Aviators.

I saw your use of the pizza box.. now go take those pictures

Take your [bleep] crap elsewhere

Dang….

The box in the picture is what rotors for Tundra's come in.

But those aren't powered by sleigh dogs so I can understand your thinking it held pizza at some point.

Oh now you are a mechanic…

Ok I’m sorry I’m just jealous I have a dead end job at the dump. Only thing I can afford is ramen noodles.. owning such a fine pistol like deflave has is all but a dream.. sorry deflave for ruining your thread

Very nice!

Sweet! Love the low profile sight and how it seems to blend into the gun.

Is that the new direct milled guns I’ve been hearing about?

I like that!

wait....you don't keep your cleaning kit in an egg carton?

Very nice, I hope your new girlfriend and you have a wonderful life together (your description, not mine).

That movie is ridiculous.

And awesome.

HoroChung vewy innovative.

I use to weary of the Gen5’s but now think they are the best of the gen’s. I have a G19 Gen5 MOS with a Trijicon. Love that pistol. What advantages does that sight have over the Trijicon ?

Potentially none. LOL Time will tell.

It is designed to fit the MOS footprint so there is no need for a plate. This negates the need for taller sights so is a true plug-n-play if you have an MOS'd Glock. Internal battery, solar charge only, auto adjust, auto on. Size wise it's more comparable to the RMRcc than a Type 1 or 2.

Plenty of things to "what if" about it but at the same time it allows use of your existing sights so, we shall see... I have to say initial impression is that I'm impressed.

HoroChung rearry coor!

And I agree about the Gen 5s.

Best of the Glocks thus far.

I like that. And I'll agree, I think the Gen 5 is the best of the Glock family.

Awesome!

Next best thing?

I just LOL'ed

I like the look of that optic! (And to think I sold my G19, Gen5 MOS less than a year ago, because I didn't want to deal with MOS plates. Argghhh.)

I would be interested to hear how the Holosun performs and how it holds up over time/use.

Take care!

How’s the trigger on a Gen 5?

When you’ve had time to evaluate it I’d love to hear your thoughts on how well the auto adjust reacts to a weapon mounted light . I’ve been considering this optic. I have a 507c ACSS and found the auto adjust not up to par with trijicon , but otherwise happy with it

Nice! Hard to argue against the venerable 19, and the G5 is the best of them all.
I still prefer the 17, though.

That's a nice sight. If the battery holds up as advertised, and it proves as reliable as other well-regarded optics, then it will represent the next step in the evolution of the slide mounted RDS. Mounting straight to an MOS slide without a plate and not needing extra tall sights immediately moves everything else closer to being obsolete.

i do too. I picked up a standard Gen 5 19 and absolutely love it. it's replaced my 226 as my EDC

It feels like a Glock trigger to me. Everyone says the Gen 5 has a better trigger than the past versions, but I don't feel it is any different. I have about 1100 rounds through a G17 Gen 5 and while I like the Gen 5 features the trigger is still a plastic striker fired gun trigger. I don't like the Glock Gen 5 trigger as much as my M&P 2.0 trigger.

Basically all I own are Glock autos, except one Sig 1911.

The trigger/pistol that impressed me, after owning Glocks since the early 90’s, was the the Sig. I believe it was the 320? I believe it’s the one the military adopted.

A guy let we shoot it at a range. After the first shot, I said, wow that’s it!

I don't think the Gen 5 trigger is amazing by any stretch but I absolutely feel the difference in the Gen 5 versus previous. I also don't get too wrapped around the axle about firearm types because I've found that for me, it doesn't make any difference. I shoot all of them them about the same. 1911s are really cool but I consider them to be big, heavy, pieces of schit. I don't even like to be around them.

I have to carry a Glock so I now buy all Glocks. If I wasn't married to Glock I'd buy and shoot Sig without a second thought. I have done enough reps with my G34 and SRO to be very confident with dots and there is no reason for extra sight radius like the 17 once you go to an optic. A 43X is very tempting but I'm so burned into the grip and trigger placement with the double stacks that I saw no reason to change especially when you consider you can go with a +2 OEM mag and end up with a 17+1 capacity. That's a lot of 147s.

A 19X would be even better IMO but there are no 19X MOS out there that I'm aware of.

If you're new to dots I can't emphasize enough the benefits of dry firing at home and maybe even filming yourself if you're really struggling with them. The payoff is tremendous.

The 320/M17s are impressive.

Agreed.

Excellent question and I'm glad you asked. My initial impression is that HoroChung might have put a lot of thought into this as well. They really seem to be going for a full autonomous optic.

The optic seems to sense light from all direction and adjust accordingly.

I'm on a fully enclosed range next week and we'll be doing night/dark shoot. I'll post how it does.

Now we are cooking with gas! I'll have to have one of those.

No, but there are G-45's in MOS, and that is exactly like baby bears soup. "Just right".

Thanks . The 507c seems to get its light measurement from directly above the optic (assuming from the solar panel ) , so when using a high lumen light it won’t adjust to the brightness out in front of the gun and washes out . I typically put it in manual mode at night .
My trijicons read the light in front of the gun well , and adjust the brightness quickly so I’m guessing the light sensor is beside the emitter facing forward .

100%. Same for the 510C. My SRO is really good in auto adjust but I have to say that (right now) the SCS is better.

I haven't been able to wash out the dot either by going from a dark room and aiming toward an open window or hitting a dark room with a weapon mounted light or Stinger. The dot immediately intensifies and remains visible. Kill the light and it's instantaneous. Dims right back to where it should be.

I don't know how the fugk they engineer these things but the SCS seems to have "sensors" arranged in a 360 degree like pattern.

Looks like the perfect setup. I have a 507k x2 on a xds mod2 9mm that works quite nicely. At some point I’m gonna get my G23 milled, or get a slide already milled to put one on it. How does the grip wrap work? I have a Hogue HandALL on the G23 and the grooves are perfect for me, but have had other shooters gripe about em. Thanks for sharing pics of the new girlfriend…she’s awful purty.

Doc_Holidude

I use a flip phone & I even like that set up. Looks & likely acts like it's part of the gun rather than stikin up like a wart on a big girls nose.

It's just floor grip tape. I buy it by the roll at Lowes. You usually have to replace it every three months or so. I put it on all my duty/EDC stuff.

Schit.

LOL

Moving forward...

EDC? Erectile Dysfunction capsules?

Looks great. Fuggers can say what they want about Holosun (usually bitching about being made in China while typing on their made in China device), but they put out some great optics.

LOL…instant “grip zone” on a roll! I like it!

It helps me a lot.

Good stuff and cheap.

Flave, I gather you prefer 147’s?

To me, they seem to have a recoil pulse like the 40/180. Less blast….

Absolutely.

The heavy for caliber 9mm's seem to be where we should have taken them 25 years ago. Incredible.

"1911s are really cool" deflave 8/22.



A CNN move?
But an "accurate" quote!
What else you been hiding?😉

have you run any comparisons between those and some of the proven 124s?

and what 147s are you shooting?

Absolutely!! All my 9mm carry ammo has been switched to 147 gr. In my backyard redneck ballistic testing confirmed what I have seen in various online tests that the Federal HST and Win PDX were the best performing in both penetration and expansion. Either one of them are my carry rounds in all my 9s. The 135 Hydrashock DEEP also did well but only had a few boxes so couldnt test as much as I wouldve liked.

I haven't done any testing myself.

Whatever I can find. I'm a whore. LOL

Off on a tangent…

Yesterday I was reading about German WW2 9mm ammo. Seems they had 3 varieties, 2 for pistols and 1 really hot SMG. All were 124 grain.

I shot a bit of the 147 +P HST’s and compared them to 124 +P Gold Dots in water jugs. Both got caught in the 3rd jug, both opened up good.

Shot them into wood and both clogged up and didn’t open up. Now I just try to let the gun tell me which one it likes.

I bought this Glock 45 last week from a small family run business in Florida that does light custom work on Glocks and AR’s. It should land in a week or so.

There’s nothing special about it. I asked for all the internals to remain OEM. Just trick the frame with stippling and change the blacked out front sight to a red fiber optic.

I didn’t have them cut the slide for an optic. I’m still an iron sight guy for my carry guns. I have a GF, Inc. chest rig ordered up.





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Looks like a great carry rig. I like how that dot sight matches the regular height fixed sights.

I had a decent amount of time with her yesterday on an enclosed but open ended range and I only like it more. Ranges like that can really test a person's sight picture because you're dealing with imperfectly placed artificial light and varying degrees of ambient light bleeding in from uprange. The auto feature does seem to make the dot a bit too bright in some circumstances and you get some "bloom", but it didn't affect making hits at all. I could not make the dot disappear regardless of how bright the artificial light was, or pointing it toward sun baking concrete from dark portions of the range.

Suffice to say that at this point I've found no reason to concern myself with the auto feature.

As far as the window size is concerned I'm pleasantly surprised here as well. I've had zero issues finding the dot. Both first shot and splits are on par with my ability. Meaning, this optic doesn't slow me down at all regardless of how close I am to the target. This was a concern to me on an EDC because the vast majority of my reps with an optic have been with the SRO. I was a wee bit scared that an optic as large and forgiving as the SRO would spoil me and that I would struggle with much smaller windows. This seemed to be in my head and not a factor. You can probably attribute that to lots and lots of reps and the fact that the SCS sits as low as it does on a standard MOS.

For those on the fence about optics for your EDC, I'll give you a couple anecdotal's to ponder:

1.) This is four shots, from four different distances. 25, 15, 7, 3. All unsupported. This was a slow fire, check-zero into the head box/A-zone as I was wrapping up.

This is what I walked up to:



2.) Dicken drill went 10 for 10 in 11.21 from concealment, just behind the three o'clock:





Five alpha, five charlie.

I'll take it.

Good presentation is good presentation. I’m not as fast to the first shot yet but the accuracy or ease of making hits at speed is greatly improved with the dot.

I have a dot class being set up for the fall. Hopefully I can catch on.

Your girlfriend is black, fat, and ugly.

Good write up. We were all waiting for it.

Thanks for taking the time.

Makes me want a girlfriend of my own!

A G-19 is hard to top as an all around great EDC.

The G5's have definitely better triggers than previous versions............noticeably better.

MM

Problem?

When you say you’re not as fast on the first shot, at what distance is that happening? And how much slower are you?

I agree on both points. The Gen 5 trigger isn't any lighter than the Gen 4 trigger, but it is way smoother in all its stages than the Gen 4. I still mostly carry a G19 Gen 4, but have started carrying my G17 Gen 5 non-MOS when I travel or out in the field. The Gen 5 seems to be an all around improvement over all previous generations. Mine was exceptional accurate with Gold Dot 147 grains.

I need to get out and compare back to back but 15 yards is our normal distance. My first shot is maybe a half a second slower than it was. However my whole focus has shifted to A zones only so I’m probably blaming the dot more than I should. I got to thinking and Bill drills, devil drill and the test are where I need to focus on and see how my times compare.

My first shots on the Eli drill were 2.54 with a 19 and irons, 2.97 with my 19 MOS.

Nice pistol Flave! Ever since I bought a Sig P365XL and put a Holosun 507K on it, I’ve been thinking about sending my G19 off to get milled. I really like an optic on my carry handgun.

Ron

Tag.

Been looking at the SCS a little more . Guess now I need to find one in stock

I think they can be hard to find at times.

You might want to jump on this.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/942784125

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/944433650


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I sent my ol G23 slide off to be milled for my Holosun 507k x2 about two weeks ago. Anxiously awaiting it’s return! Hope to share pics and targets shortly after it comes home.

Doc_Holidude

I think milling for the optic of your choice has a lot of benefits.

But I also think we are in the infancy of all this. I think sooner or later we are going to see standardization and everything is going to look similar to the SCS type setup. But it will take a while of course.

Off to a Level One this morning for some more R&D on this thing.

Not in need of the platform , just the optic to add to my optic collection haha , but thanks .. decent deals

Agreed…think we’re nearing a stage that seems comparable to when rifle scopes were invented and then eventually became more widely used over iron sights. I’m not sure we’ll see an auto pistol made with no sights/sight groove, like most rifles made without sights these days, but who really knows. For those who want one, the smaller reflex type optics are getting better, less costly, and gaining a lot of traction in the market. I’m all for it…as long as my sights are co-witnessed. Win-win! 😎

Doc_Holidude

Would a rail type system work? Milled in at the factory.

The co-witnessed sights is a big plus and it ends up with a lower height MOS. Double up on the win-win.

SCS green in transit to perch atop a G17

That's kind of an odd combination where the 507K is designed for a slim line (G43x MOS, G48 MOS, Sig P365X/XL, etc.). Any particular reason you chose it over a 507C?

Well I endured six grueling stages with a Glock 19 and optic the size of my dick yesterday. LOL All in the name of R&D for you people.

I have to say the optic performed beautifully. Even under stress the dot was right there at every presentation, auto-brightness feature performed perfectly (it was a ridiculously bright south Florida day) and I can't say I have a single complaint about it to this point.

I will say shooting a G19 on six stages for four hours affirmed I will never do that schit ever again.

15 rounds. Get the fugk outta here. LOL

Hi, I have a question for you. I saw this picture of your setup on this and the 40 yard thread. It looks like the holster is set up so that the optic is just about at the belt line. When you are wearing it, is a portion of the optic between the belt and your body or just above the belt line? I have been concerned about the lens being at or below the belt line and about putting tension on the optic and the on/off buttons, so I have been setting up the optic to be slightly above the belt line. But, the gun rides higher that way than what I used to do before I had the optic. So, I am interested in your observations about your setup. I could have PM'd this, but I suspect that others also may be working through the same issues. Thanks!

Cheyenne,

The optic does sit exposed on both sides with that setup and the SCS’ sole control button is on the port/left side. It is recessed and while you can use it with the end of your fingernail it is difficult and requires something more akin to a ball point tip in my experience.

It is possible to inadvertently push that button I suppose, but I think I’d get hit by lightning first.

Your observation and question is sound. People need to know the features of their optic when they decide to use it and the ability to use irons throughout the learning curve is important for an EDC.

Yep…it’s one of two sights I have already, and they’re both skinny ones. Thought I’d try what I had before possibly spending more money, and I’m not totally opposed to the optic sitting somewhat in from the slide edges. In fact I’d rather have it that way, than slightly sticking out. Other that that, I’d like to give ya a more better scientific reason, but their ain’t one.

Doc_Holidude

Thanks, deflave! It is difficult to visualize precisely how a holster will ride on a person just by looking at a gun in a holster.

It sounds like your optic is more foolproof than the 407K/507K series made for Sig P365 series guns. The 407K/507K have "+" and "-" buttons on the left side. Unless the lockout feature is activated by pushing and holding the + button for 5 seconds, pushing the + and - buttons simultaneously turns the optic off. I managed to do that once before using the lockout feature while getting my hands on the optic while manipulating the slide. I am still playing with holsters. There is one that I have that has wings on both sides that protect the left and right sides of the optic and which partially protect the front. (LAG Tactical Ambidextrous Liberator; I know, stupid name.) Sorry for the thread drift.

Thanks again!

I really like the mini-me version of your carry rig. G48 with 407k. I shot it in an IDPA match and it was fun.

That's the Holosun you want for the 48 and 43 footprint?

FWIW, and to anyone that cares, I've had zero issues with my SCS to this point.

I think the SCS is as close to a truly autonomous RMR style optic made.

I hope the concept expands and improves.

It is truly next level IMO.

A G19.5 with the 407k-X2, AND a plate, AND Ameriglo GL429 sights.

That SCS is looking wayyy better all around. Added to the list.

Pushing the five month mark here so I wanted to update.

I purposefully kept the SCS out of the light to see how long it remained charged. It lasted about three months but alas, one day it no worky-worky.

I put it in the sun for about an hour and it came back to life. But it also went dead again shortly after.

I left it in the sun for about eight hours, it came back to life for about three weeks, and died once more.

I think it's a good optic with a lot of great features but the lack of replaceable battery when one needs it, is a big shortcoming. And I think if the battery truly goes out, it takes a lot of doing to get it back to full charge.

I live in an area with a whooooooole lot of sunshine and daylight too. I can see the darkness of a northern state winter being a real problem with the SCS.


Caveat to all this is that it is a sample of one and I could just have a defective battery or solar panel or whatever other witchcraft this requires to work. But as of right now I see myself moving to a RMR.

Appreciate the info shared from actual use.
Has me seriously considering a G45 Gen5 MOS with RMR.

Then, get rid of everything else for a second one.

I'll be right behind you...

It's your Holosun working well?