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Both/either reduce reliability Whats the best route to take to make it lighter but still reliable/accurate? Get rid of the heavy handguard and go with a old military style split handguard. Way lighter.z Add in the delta ring, end cap and heat shields and there are lots of rails that are lighter. Care to name a few?
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I have forgone my original KMR hand guards and now have been using Midwest Industries. They aren’t as light but the are stronger and cost less.
I have also used MagPul SL hand guards when I needed a little extra length and didn’t want to lose the front sight tower or needed the lightest weight possible. With everything I stick on a gun and in it, I’m averaging around 8 lbs but that includes lights and a loaded mag.
I chased the lightest AR dream a long time ago and while I start as light as I can, they never get close to my Kimber Montana bolt guns.
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A standard handguard with the two piece heat shield compares favorably to all but the lightest handguards and coming within 3 ounces or less of them. Prices go up a lot with the lightest of hanguards and they appear fragile.
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It’s an ounces makes pound game and a rail gives greater benefits than the stock M4 hand guards but only you can decide if it’s worth it or not.
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It’s an ounces makes pound game and a rail gives greater benefits than the stock M4 hand guards but only you can decide if it’s worth it or not. Don't find I need the rails my self.
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Get close and wack em hard!
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It's a lot easier to start with one of these. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/938438131about 3 pounds.
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Switch to 16" pencil bbl, adj gas bock/tube and light weight stock.
Presto done
Paranoia strikes deep
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It starts when you're always afraid
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I changed out the tube handguard rr predator pursuit yesterday with a slim handguard with top rail only, took 12 ounces off the weight
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300 BLK with a mid-gas system. Interesting. Might not want to stray too far off the design specs. I'm just thinking out loud, it might be on the verge of under-gassed. This.............as in all of it. But ASSUMING is not borderline under-gassed, or is some version of a 5.56, if you go to a lighter BCG, you are ALWAYS well advised to use an adjustable gas block (AGB). Period. Best place to shed weight is barrel, stock, rail...................... The BCG is best left to last & lighter BCG's are best suited to a play gun with generally than normal power loads to speed shot recovery. YMMV MM
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300 BLK with a mid-gas system. Interesting. Might not want to stray too far off the design specs. I'm just thinking out loud, it might be on the verge of under-gassed. This.............as in all of it. But ASSUMING is not borderline under-gassed, or is some version of a 5.56, if you go to a lighter BCG, you are ALWAYS well advised to use an adjustable gas block (AGB). Period. Best place to shed weight is barrel, stock, rail...................... The BCG is best left to last & lighter BCG's are best suited to a play gun with generally than normal power loads to speed shot recovery. YMMV MM Barrel, stock and handguard. I'd never go to a poly lower, but if one did, that would be a good way to lose some more weight. I know some guys at a club I go to in Washington that have some really lightweights. They run lightweight BCG's, but they don't seem to be as reliable. Its kind of cool how light you can go with one of these, but if it's not reliable, it's no bueno to me..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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^^^^ Not enough to be gained to make it worth doing.
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To get light, you have to start light. The BCG alone isn't enough to do it. I have one light weight (not crazy) gun and it's for shooting really fast. It's got a LWBCG but it's also got a skinny barrel, light forearm, light stock, etc.
I also have a fairly light .300BO that looks exactly like the hoser but it's got a full mass operating system because I hunt with it. The weight saved in parts allowed me to scope and suppress it and still have reasonable overall weight.
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This conundrum makes me smile. The M16A1 became the Army standard rifle in '69 and it's unloaded weight was 6.4 pounds...with a 20" barrel. My opinion is that someone fixed something that weren't broke.
I am..........disturbed.
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This conundrum makes me smile. The M16A1 became the Army standard rifle in '69 and it's unloaded weight was 6.4 pounds...with a 20" barrel. My opinion is that someone fixed something that weren't broke. My A2 is 6.5 pounds and it feels like a toy sometimes..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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M16A2 as issued is 7 lbs 8 oz naked.
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M16A2 as issued is 7 lbs 8 oz naked. That's good to know. Check out how much the Colt sporter target model weighs..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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This conundrum makes me smile. The M16A1 became the Army standard rifle in '69 and it's unloaded weight was 6.4 pounds...with a 20" barrel. My opinion is that someone fixed something that weren't broke. Weight is only one metric, functionality is another.
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