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There are a lot of just plain silly comments in this thread. Some out of humor, but others bone ignorance.
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There are a lot of just plain silly comments in this thread. Some out of humor, but others bone ignorance. Well then splain it to us.
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There are a lot of just plain silly comments in this thread. Some out of humor, but others bone ignorance. I'm surprised the rest of the experts haven't chimed in...
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There are a lot of just plain silly comments in this thread. Some out of humor, but others bone ignorance. Well then splain it to us. Hehe hehe! Yeah...they normally don't do that.
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There are a lot of just plain silly comments in this thread. Some out of humor, but others bone ignorance. Well then splain it to us. Hehe hehe! Yeah...they normally don't do that. Grasshoppers?
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There are literally hundreds of T-34C Turbo Mentors sitting in the desert at Davis-Monthan AFB that could easily be converted to "crop dusters" or whatever, instead of buying this one. Then again, there is always the possibility that some politician has their hand in the till. I'll say it again though, I really don't see ANY need for this platform other than what I originally posted
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Jorge, there are lots of Special Ops missions in places of low to no threat where all other platforms are too fast, too expensive, insufficient loiter, or otherwise incompatible. We don't need hundreds of such aircraft, but we do need a few. Note that the AT-802 is being bought to replace and improve upon an existing platform, so the mission is clearly there and being flown.
You would never argue that SEAL teams have no use because they are too small, too lightly armed, and would never survive against a full enemy army, would you? This plane is a rough analogy to a SEAL team.
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Jorge, there are lots of Special Ops missions in places of low to no threat where all other platforms are too fast, too expensive, insufficient loiter, or otherwise incompatible. We don't need hundreds of such aircraft, but we do need a few. Note that the AT-802 is being bought to replace and improve upon an existing platform, so the mission is clearly there and being flown.
You would never argue that SEAL teams have no use because they are too small, too lightly armed, and would never survive against a full enemy army, would you? This plane is a rough analogy to a SEAL team. I'd also think you might use this instead of a UAV when the risk of loss is high- how much tech could be reversed engineered from a blown up and burned cropduster vs UAV - by the Chinese or someone? Don't always take the F1 Ferrari to go get milk - type of thing.
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I've watched crop-dusters from the highways almost daily for the last 2wks or so. They sure can turn, climb, and descend in a heck of a hurry.
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There are a lot of just plain silly comments in this thread. Some out of humor, but others bone ignorance. Well then splain it to us. Hehe hehe! Yeah...they normally don't do that. Grasshoppers? Chinese grasshoppers. They got microphones in them! How's that for a connected dot?
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Can we just not bring back the king of them all.... ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/ydfPnFFf/skyraider.jpg)
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Chinese grasshoppers. They got microphones in them! How's that for a connected dot?[/quote] Bet them mofos have chips in em too! Splains why I can't get my 2022 superduty 3500 Denali! Bastids!
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Jorge, there are lots of Special Ops missions in places of low to no threat where all other platforms are too fast, too expensive, insufficient loiter, or otherwise incompatible. We don't need hundreds of such aircraft, but we do need a few. Note that the AT-802 is being bought to replace and improve upon an existing platform, so the mission is clearly there and being flown.
You would never argue that SEAL teams have no use because they are too small, too lightly armed, and would never survive against a full enemy army, would you? This plane is a rough analogy to a SEAL team. Have the OV-10s been retired? I'm not seeing your SEAL Team analogy sorry and my question was to address as to why existing helos for example that have a decent cruise speed could not do the same mission. As to the rest, just having fun with the "fringe"...
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Can we just not bring back the king of them all.... SOLD!
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My God, what a beast. Has an amazing amount of fire power and fantastic Loiter time. Also has the Dubious recognition of being a Mig killer…
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How many will be operated by the Department of Homeland Security?
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One major problem with re-creating the A-1 is avgas. To support that one aircraft, you'd need an entirely separate logistics line of just the fuel, in addition to going back to a piston engine and all their maintenance needs. You'd probably triple the logistics costs. (Not to mention that the jigs to manufacture the planes and engines are long gone.)
Jorge, my SEAL analogy is based on having a right-sized, highly capable resource at hand to perform "stitch in time" missions. People who argue that this plane would be useless in peer to peer engagements are missing the whole point. To make yet another analogy, a fire extinguisher may be useless against a wildfire, but that doesn't mean we don't need fire extinguishers.
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What other fixed wing aircraft is capable of landing in a corn field, filling up out of an L tank in a Toyota and flying away mostly unnoticed?
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[ How many will be operated by the Department of Homeland Security? Great thought... Too bad Air Tractor is ESOP owned.
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Chinese grasshoppers. They got microphones in them! How's that for a connected dot? Bet them mofos have chips in em too! Splains why I can't get my 2022 superduty 3500 Denali! Bastids![/quote] Double Bastids!
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