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Just into my local gunshop today came a mint perfect Remington 700 Rifle in caliber 416 Remington Ultra-Magnum - the Rifle is a one owner rig and reportedly was shot just 6 times.
The Rifle comes with 3 boxes of 416 R.U.M. factory bullets (400 grains) and a Nikon lower powered variable scope in quality mounts.
Apparently the owner bought the Rifle in preparation for an African trip and that was interrupted/never came off?
The Rifle has very pleasing wood and there were NO flaws to be seen on the outfit anywhere. The Rifles bolt face is absolutely black.
The Rifle is on consignment and the "asking" price is $2,000.00 (no sales tax in Montana).
I am not sure of the correct "model designation" for this Rifle but it does have open sights and a factory barrel band swivel.
The shop is open Tuesdays through Saturdays 9:30 AM to 4:30 PM (MST).
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VarmintGuy

You mean .416 Remington Magnum.

RUM is Remington Ultra Mag. There is no .416 RUM only .416 Remington Magnum. Remington only makes the .416 RM ammo.

probably on the rack because few people can find enough powder for sale to feed it and it costs an arm and a leg to boot to feed it...

you might be onto something there. I really enjoy shooting my 300Rum but it gobbles up a pound of H1000 pretty quick. Nothing cheap about that damn gun

Elkhunterm: Thank you for that clarification - I will correct my posting - oops its to late to "edit" my original post.
Thanks again.
I was in the shop this morning and the Nikon scope is a 1 to 4 power variable.
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VarmintGuy

Agree there isn't a 416 RUM. But it would have been a very close version of an updated high pressure 404 Jeffery - an excellent round for everything up to and including elephants.

Or a shorter necked 416 Dakota. (RIP)

VarmintGuy, PM sent.

Remington made a good rifle and in my humble opinion the 416 rem is an excellent design for a cartridge. It is hard to image a forum where people worship at the altar of 458WM not in full agreement?

The only down sides are some of the Remington 700 (safari, custom shop whatever?) rifles are a bit on the long and heavy side. That may or may not factor in. The second, is this is not a control feed rifle. I would be fine with a gun like this and in fact I had one in 458WM. It was a fun shooter and I am sure it would have got the job done given the opportunity.

When I grew up it was pretty much 458Wm or 375HH. I got my brainwashed into thinking we were screwed! Today there is a bewildering array or choices with each having its own fan base. You got about 1/2 the people out there who know it does not matter. Some of those are sincere some others who are pretending it does matter and pimping their favorite. If one were to nit pick those meaningless details, the 416 rem is about as IDEAL as they come.

Yes the 416 rm is a fine, fine round. Loaded to full pressure from the start by the factory and hand loaders alike, it has had a great term of duty. So armed in the rifle of your choice; go anywhere, kill anything.

Especially when loaded with the 300 grain Shock Hammer at

What makes the .458 Win (and .375 H&H) so attractive is the super abundance of choices in bullets. In .458 cal that's from 250gr to 600gr, plus untold numbers of moulds to make your own. The .458, in particular, is often downloaded to equivalent BP loads or 45-70 Marlin loads that make them suitable for hogs, deer and even varmints. Right now my deer load is the Hornady 250gr MonoFlex at 2650 fps for deer and black bear where I hunt. That bullet could be pushed to +3000 fps from my 24" Ruger #1H, but what's the point?

The main problem for .416 calibers is that lack of versatility, otherwise I'd own a .416 Taylor, that still wouldn't replace a .458 in my gun rack.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

I don't see the 416 having a lack of versatility, in fact the 416 is more versatile with 300 grain to 450 grain bullets

The 416 can be extremely flat shoot and has the power to cleanly take any game in the world.

The 416 is the best choice fir a plains game to dangerous game one rifle choice hands down.

I'm sure that was a typo "with 30 grain", meaning 300. Sure it probably could be made versatile, just "not as" versatile as in .458", as is witnessed by sheer numbers of those who've done it from a .458 Win long before the .416 Rem was born!


Bob
www.bigbores.ca

Just because it's been done doesn't mean it's as versatile.
The 416 shoots considerably flatterthan the 458 making 300 to 400 yard shots easier
The 300 grain Shock Hammer at 3001 FPS shoots flatter and hit much harder than the 375 H&H

I'm with you jwp.
Having owned 9.3x64Brenneke, 375 H&H, 416 Rigby, and 404 Jeffery. Never owned a 458, but after my one experience at the range with one, no desire.

I believe I have finally found my huckleberry. 416 Rem in a Model 70 Classic. Has taken awhile (going on three years) to get a load work up, pillared and bedded, Dakota arms sights installed and filed in. It is finally at the smith's getting final cerakote.

I have a 350gr TSX moving at 2600fps. Rifle detested the 350gr Speers, and I also have some 300gr TSX's that I can't wait to play with. Patiently waiting for the 350gr A-Frames to become available. Well supplied on 350gr TSX's though, and they should last my lifetime.

Really want to get back to Africa for another buffalo or two, and maybe an eland if I could find an old over hill broken down bull.

Model 70 Classic is by far a better rifle for big game........................................

"The 416 shoots considerably flatter than the 458 making 300 to 400 yard shots easier"

That depends, of course, on what loads are being compared.

For example: The 350gr TSX from a .416 Rem will make ~ 2600 fps compared to 2500 +fps from a 404gr Hammer . But the 404 Hammer makes more energy and momentum from muzzle to 500 yards with equal or better trajectory. Check it out.

My point was simply that there are many more (greater variety) of projectiles (from manufacturers) available in .458" than in .416". If all those available are loaded hot, medium and mild, there's practically endless versatility.

If we go to the heavy end of bullets, a .416 can't compare in energy or momentum. 6000 ft-lbs is available from a .458 Win+, and the momentum + sectional density of even a 500gr is well beyond a .416 anything. How about an SD of 409 from the 600gr Barnes? I have two unused boxes, having fired one box. 2000 fps is easy.

With all due respect to everyone, and not wanting argument for argument's sake, physics don't lie. And, as regards a 300gr, I've gotten a few fps shy of 3000 fps from the 300gr TSX. But that's not where a .458 Win Mag's versatility is at. It's from the 350s to 550gr.

As a concession, however, any .416 is more than needed for anything on this planet, including what mine would be - the .416 Taylor.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

Using 2000MR powder I am getting 2715 FPS in my 24" barreled 416 Remington which generates 5728 FPE

And the TTSX in 350 grain has a .444 BC compared to the 404 grain Shock Hammer at .411 BC estimated

The .416 is flatter and will maintain its velocity better

I'm running the 404 grain Shock Hammer in in my Mark X at 2523 FPS which is 5710 FPE. Not exactly blowing the 416 Remington away and definitely not nearly as flat shooting.

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