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I have a new Winchester 1885 in 22 hornet. Have owned it for six months and fired maybe 50 rounds through it. It’s very accurate with 40 grain v max and Sierra 40 hp.
Someone told me today that th bore on this gun is .223, not .224. Is that true?


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Someone told you wrong. Hornets have been .224 for most, if not all my life, and I’m pretty old.

EDIT: A quick trip to Duckduckgo Land indicates that Hornets made since the war (WWII) are .224. Originals and lots of converted .22s from the bad old days are usually .223.

The .22 Jet was .223, probably to facilitate the use of .22 ammo in inserts.

Find another source of “information”.


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It got going 90+ years ago in the hands of a a couple inquisitive guys who worked at Springfield Armory. Initial development was with M1 & M2 Springfield .22's chambered for the .22WCF with its .227 neck squeezed down to accept bullets suitable for the .223" bores of those rifles. Ensuing commercial and private endeavors followed suit since the favored source for cheap barrels were recycled .22RF barrels.


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Thanks guys.


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I have a custom M2 Springfield in .22 Hornet done by a now deceased ACCG member named Gary L. Stiles. It's an extraordinarily attractive complete custom job - new barrel, stock, trigger guard and floor plate assembly, and bolt handle. Stiles was a first class gunmaker.

I got it surprisingly cheap from an LGS, where it had sat on the shelf for well over a year. The seller had only known that it was built by a gunsmith in western Pennsylvania and there were no visible markings on the gun. After I bought it, I pulled the stock and found three little initials "GLS" stamped in the inside of the stock. Fortunately, another ACCG gunsmith I know recognized the markings and was able to identify the Stiles as the maker.

It's certainly the nicest rifle I own.

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That's very cool. I would love to see how Mr. Stiles configured the firing pin. I had an M2 Springfield converted to .22 K-Hornet - nothing fancy just a simple unadorned conversion. It shot sweetly but I couldn't keep firing pins in it. After 20-30 rounds the firing pin would break. After fabricating/replacing a couple I gave up and sent it down the road. To this day I haven't a clue as to why, and my young self didn't have the brains to suss out the issue - I kept making duplicates thus proving Einstein's definition of insanity. ("Definition of insanity: doing the exact same thing over and over, expecting different results.")

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As a side-note to this thread, I have a .22 Hornet that's a converted BSA single-shot Martini-actioned .22 Long Rifle target rifle, so has a smaller rimfire bore. It shoots the same handloads I've used in my .224-barreled Hornets very well, which feature plastic-tipped 39-40 grain .224 bullets, whether made by Hornady, Nosler or Sierra.


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Yeah, over a lifetime of messing with old Hornets I've never not put .224 bullets through tight .223 bores. My first one, back in the Pleistocene Age, was a Winchester M1885 Low Wall re-barreled with an M2 Springfield barrel (a quite common conversion in the 1930's as a fella could then buy new barrels from the Armory). Out of ignorance I put many a .224 bullet through that barrel directly into a groundhog.


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Sounds like an incredible rifle! I am pretty sure you are required to post pictures

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I have a custom M2 Springfield in .22 Hornet done by a now deceased ACCG member named Gary L. Stiles. It's an extraordinarily attractive complete custom job - new barrel, stock, trigger guard and floor plate assembly, and bolt handle. Stiles was a first class gunmaker.

I got it surprisingly cheap from an LGS, where it had sat on the shelf for well over a year. The seller had only known that it was built by a gunsmith in western Pennsylvania and there were no visible markings on the gun. After I bought it, I pulled the stock and found three little initials "GLS" stamped in the inside of the stock. Fortunately, another ACCG gunsmith I know recognized the markings and was able to identify the Stiles as the maker.

It's certainly the nicest rifle I own.


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While you’re waiting for pics of his, here’s mine, purchased IIRC in 2000, more or less.

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