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Originally Posted by TrueGrit
Yes. A .223 kills way above it's pay grade.
For sure with good bullets.

But just for kids. They kill deer on a regular basis but grown men MUST use bigger ordinance.

Hmm…

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https://www.rokslide.com/forums/threads/223-for-bear-deer-elk-and-moose.130488/

It’s quite a long read. But a lot of information with pictures. Sierra 77 grain TMK being the heavy favorite. Very dramatic wound channels.

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Originally Posted by JamesJr
One of the biggest grizzlies ever killed was shot by an Indian woman using a 22 LR. Just because a cartridge will kill an animal doesn't mean that it's ideal. I've killed deer with the 223, but why use it when there are far better choices.


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I had great luck with the Fusion 62gr factory from a Ruger Ranch Rifle. Most shots were well within 100 yards, 2 were at moat 150 yards. None made it far.


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Yes. I'd use one way past 250, and I wouldn't use a barnes...ever
Why not a Barnes?

They aren't needed. Just like bonded bullets aren't needed.

But by all means if you want a narrow wound channel use a barnes.
Gotcha.
I wish Hornady made the SST bullet in .223 (.224 for the picky ones).
Is there another manufacturer's equivalent of the SST bullet in .223?
55 grain Sierra Gameking.

Get past 200 and a V-Max is wicked medicine. Seen it used from a Swift at about 350. No exit but bruised the opposite side of a ribcage on a large doe. No forward steps taken, jusy about 6 sideways steps and done.

Personally I wouldn't be the least bit afraid of a 55 grain Ballistic Tip either.


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My only objection to the 223 is guys who use spray n pray with an AR15 or similar. Hunters here aren't those guys and are responsible sportsmen who do it right. My garden variety Stag Arms surprised the hll out of me right out of the box, it shot so tight, better groups than several of my OK bolt guns.

Unfortunately I have seen two different Bozos fire off five faster then my fingers move, then do it all over again at gut shot Bambis. I'm convinced these are the ones who give the 223 a bad rap.


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My question is, with so many better choices, Why? If that's all you have, and can't afford to buy anything else, then I understand, but it sure wouldn't even make my top 20.

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Why not? Deer are easy to kill. And next to a 22lr, the 223 is the most shot caliber that I own.

I know people that have shot deer with 55gr fmj's and they bitched about what little it did... huh no schit sherlock

Wanna run a super tough bullet and you better break some bone...

Otherwise make a good shot and your deer will die. This stuff isnt complicated

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I've used them several times...

but since I believe in SMP or RN bullets, if I am going to use a 22 caliber bullet....

First choice would be a 70 grain Speer SMP, followed by a 63 grain Sierra SMP...

yeah newer bullets may work, but I know those two bullets have been working for decades and decades.

a 22.250 ramps that up substantially....in killing power.


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They work. I've shot quite a few in Wva and on kill permits in Virginia. 223 , 22-250 and 223 WSSM i like the 50 gr Vmax in 223 and think archery type shots behind the shoulder broadside. 22-250 and 223 wssm i use a tougher 55 or 60 gr softpoint

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Yesterday afternoon, I had 8-9 hogs on two feeders. Some were 200 yards and behind some brush and most were at 297 yards. I shot one shoat at 40 feet and two 100lb + sows at 297. One of the farthest ones went 30 feet. The others were DRT.
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I start my grandkids on a cut down savage axis .223 for the deer here on the farm. Shots are max 50 yards. Ammo is factory win power points 62gr I believe. Broadside through the lungs. Never lost a deer. After the first or second year they graduate to a cut down rem 700 in 243 win. I don’t let them hunt over fields until they move up to the 243.

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Why there are far better guns. Kill them yes, but why screw around.


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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
Why there are far better guns. Kill them yes, but why screw around.
Perhaps a rifle that is chambered in .223 is the only rifle a fellow owns, that's why.

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Yes.
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Google "77gr tmk hunting"

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Originally Posted by hillbillyjake
https://www.rokslide.com/forums/threads/223-for-bear-deer-elk-and-moose.130488/

It’s quite a long read. But a lot of information with pictures. Sierra 77 grain TMK being the heavy favorite. Very dramatic wound channels.


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Originally Posted by billtrev
Yes.
This
Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy
Google "77gr tmk hunting"

and

Originally Posted by hillbillyjake
https://www.rokslide.com/forums/threads/223-for-bear-deer-elk-and-moose.130488/

It’s quite a long read. But a lot of information with pictures. Sierra 77 grain TMK being the heavy favorite. Very dramatic wound channels.
Or on this very forum,

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/10810582/2


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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
Why there are far better guns. Kill them yes, but why screw around.

How much deader can you kill a deer?

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