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Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Why would you want a safety, you don’t want one on your revolvers. The whole point of a striker fired pistol is not having a safety while avoiding the “crunch tick” DA/SA trigger. A single action pistol will have a better trigger with a safety. A striker fired pistol with a safety makes no sense IMO.
Been saying this for years.

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While I had several M&P’s, all of them benefited greatly with Apex parts, including my 2 2.0’s. Good guns but Apex knows how to make them great.

I eventually went back to Glock when the Gen 5’s came out. Except for sights, red dot plate and SCD’s, they are all stock.

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I'm surprised no one has pointed out that the Glock 19 HAS a safety in the face of the trigger.

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Originally Posted by vbshootinrange
I'm surprised no one has pointed out that the Glock 19 HAS a safety in the face of the trigger.

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As Colonel Cooper observed, that's rather like taping the combination to your safe above the dial. No point in locking it. Likewise, no point in having a safety if it's on the face of the trigger.

And striker fired guns don't need one, as they defeat their purpose.

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The Beretta PX4 Storm is worth a look.


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Mossberg mc2c is thinner than a Glock and they make one version with a crossbolt safety. American made and I really like mine.


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Sure not not trying to start an argument here as many of you know a lot more about striker fired guns than I will ever know but carrying one in condition one, without a safety scares me to death. The ones I own that don't have a safety get carried without a round chambered & I'll take my chances, my other guns, S&W 2.0 with a safety I carry condition one, also with my Browning Hi Power & my 1911's, but again, not the guns with the so called trigger safety. To me that isn't a safety & I'll let you more experienced guys explain it to me.
Don't know that I've heard of anyone shooting themselves in the leg with their gun that has a safety but I sure have heard of guys shooting themselves with striker fired guns without a true safety. Take it easy with the name calling, I'm a life long shooter, USPSA shooter & have taken a lot of big game with revolvers. I shoot 3-4 times a week but again, those striker fired guns with no safety scare the hell out of me. Talk to me.

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Originally Posted by Idaho1945
Sure not not trying to start an argument here as many of you know a lot more about striker fired guns than I will ever know but carrying one in condition one, without a safety scares me to death. The ones I own that don't have a safety get carried without a round chambered & I'll take my chances, my other guns, S&W 2.0 with a safety I carry condition one, also with my Browning Hi Power & my 1911's, but again, not the guns with the so called trigger safety. To me that isn't a safety & I'll let you more experienced guys explain it to me.
Don't know that I've heard of anyone shooting themselves in the leg with their gun that has a safety but I sure have heard of guys shooting themselves with striker fired guns without a true safety. Take it easy with the name calling, I'm a life long shooter, USPSA shooter & have taken a lot of big game with revolvers. I shoot 3-4 times a week but again, those striker fired guns with no safety scare the hell out of me. Talk to me.

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It's about the world's most famous "shot in the leg with a 1911" video and a 1911 has more than 1 safety.



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That said - the best safety is still keeping your booger hook out of the trigger - as my old gun safety instructor used to say.


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Originally Posted by toltecgriz
The 19 isn't ruled out as I still have magazines. smile
Problem solved! wink

At least worthwhile replacing the G19 even if you get another pistol, IMO.


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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
S&W M&P 2.0

Very good gun.
Yep, the 4" barrel M&P is probably the best Glock 19 S&W ever built.

Now if the OP didn't want a safety lever there are couple of decent G19 clones - but thats not what the OP asked.

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I like the Glock 19 well enough that I've got two of them but I agree that the "so called trigger safety" is not much of a safety.

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Just my opinion, the invention of the Striker Control Device and kydex holsters give me as much or more confidence in the Glock trigger tab safety than a thumb safety, especially ambi thumb safeties. And one of my 2.0's had the thumb safety that was so mushy, it would easily bump off safe.

I know the G19 won't fire unless something presses the trigger, I keep my finger off the trigger until on target, keep my thumb on the SCD while holstering and once it's in the kydex holster, nothing can press the trigger.

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Originally Posted by 43Shooter
I like the Glock 19 well enough that I've got two of them but I agree that the "so called trigger safety" is not much of a safety.
It was put on the trigger face just so they could say they had another safety mechanism on it. Everyone knows it's worthless as a safety device. About as worthless as a safe with the combo taped above the dial.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by 43Shooter
I like the Glock 19 well enough that I've got two of them but I agree that the "so called trigger safety" is not much of a safety.
It was put on the trigger face just so they could say they had another safety mechanism on it. Everyone knows it's worthless as a safety device. About as worthless as a safe with the combo taped above the dial.
Amazingly stupid bit of non-think you've reposted.

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I always figured on a Glock the holster is the safety, closing firmly as it does around the trigger guard.


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Originally Posted by dla
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by 43Shooter
I like the Glock 19 well enough that I've got two of them but I agree that the "so called trigger safety" is not much of a safety.
It was put on the trigger face just so they could say they had another safety mechanism on it. Everyone knows it's worthless as a safety device. About as worthless as a safe with the combo taped above the dial.
Amazingly stupid bit of non-think you've reposted.
It's a quote from Colonel Jeff Cooper. He was commenting on the uselessness of the Glock trigger safety. I think it's apt.

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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I always figured on a Glock the holster is the safety, closing firmly as it does around the trigger guard.

I always figured it was the grey matter between the ears of the operator of the device that was the real safety.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by dla
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by 43Shooter
I like the Glock 19 well enough that I've got two of them but I agree that the "so called trigger safety" is not much of a safety.
It was put on the trigger face just so they could say they had another safety mechanism on it. Everyone knows it's worthless as a safety device. About as worthless as a safe with the combo taped above the dial.
Amazingly stupid bit of non-think you've reposted.
It's a quote from Colonel Jeff Cooper. He was commenting on the uselessness of the Glock trigger safety. I think it's apt.
Either you misquoted Jeff or he was having a stroke when he wrote that. Personally I believe the former.

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