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I have investigated, either as the primary investigator, co-investigator, or as part of a team, a significant number of shootings, unknown death investigations, etc. As well as attended numerous training schools related to the subject of forensic investigation.
Never, not once was the issue of whether the person was shooting handloads, reloads, or factory ammunition end up being a factor in the case, in terms of prosecutorial outcomes. Not one single time. This was also discussed with other investigators from various state/federal agencies throughout the country when attending training.
Not one single time did anyone have any personal experience with an investigation where that was the case. Again, not one single time. And we are talking about combining literally thousands of shootings/investigations. Senior guys groan when some new guy brings up the dang question and it eats up time during the class too, as it gets covered over and over, year after year.
New Jersey v. Daniel Bias was brought up. It is such a statistical outlier that it is not worth bothering with.
Think about this.
These are rough numbers BTW.
NJ vs Bias happened in 1989.
There are (very roughly) 15,000 homicides a year.
That would be over 450,000 homicides since the NJ vs Bias.
Yet handloads have not really been a factor in those 450,000 cases, so guys are digging all the way back to the 80s.
Someone who makes his living selling fear based propaganda and classes is not a person I would rely on for unbiased information.
There are far more important things to worry about. Thanks. I feel better about my casual ammo management now. Seriously.
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Not to completely rehash things but there's a decent thread here at 1911 forum. Discusses his video on mob attacks. What's interesting - it's not so much about mob attacks but a lawyer's take on Massad and his history. Pretty interesting stuff if someone's looking to actually figure out if whom they listen to is worth it. Especially the difference between being "expert on the law" and an "expert witness" - Mas is one, not both. Guess which one it is? Mas and Mobs - 1991 Forum
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Not to completely rehash things but there's a decent thread here at 1911 forum. Discusses his video on mob attacks. What's interesting - it's not so much about mob attacks but a lawyer's take on Massad and his history. Pretty interesting stuff if someone's looking to actually figure out if whom they listen to is worth it. Especially the difference between being "expert on the law" and an "expert witness" - Mas is one, not both. Guess which one it is? Mas and Mobs - 1991 ForumAnybody with a brain will agree with everything I’ve said about him. He’s a fugking fraud and a dipschit.
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It is serious. Rarely if ever talk out my ass. I know several police officers, and most have never been in a shooting. Is their advice good or bad? What advice are you asking about? Any and all when it comes to defensive shooting. Basically, the same type of advice Ayoob gives. Yes a person can give bad advice regarding the use of force. Any other brain burners? LOL So, you really don't have any answers just sarcastic criticism. If you really need answers or advice on this subject, I'll leave you this. Seek training from a qualified professional. Do not seek or give advice or training on public forums.
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This thread reminds me of all the people that asked if I was a doctor when I told them their “vaccine” wasn’t gonna do schit.
LOL
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If you really need answers or advice on this subject, I'll leave you this. Seek training from a qualified professional. Do not seek or give advice or training on public forums. There’s more than one qualified professional that gives free advice in this forum. But you have to possess the sense to recognize who they are and who they aren’t and a lot of people can’t do that. That’s why people like Ayboob can make their living.
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People lacking common sense and a functional BS filter would be better off to avoid the web entirely.
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People lacking common sense and a functional BS filter would be better off to avoid the web entirely. So what are you doing here? LOL
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It used to be that old, experienced, wise, and opinionated came as a bundle. Nowadays any boomer with opinions thinks he qualifies.
I belong on eroding granite, among the pines.
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It used to be that old, experienced, wise, and opinionated came as a bundle. Nowadays any boomer with opinions thinks he qualifies. Ayboob set that standard around 1980. Were it not for the internet, he’d have Delta Force on his resume’.
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It used to be that old, experienced, wise, and opinionated came as a bundle. Nowadays any boomer with opinions thinks he qualifies. Ayboob set that standard around 1980. Were it not for the internet, he’d have Delta Force on his resume’. LOL 😆
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I am not much of a fan of the guy. He seems to be slimy as they come.
On handloads, I don't think the fear that he expresses is justified and that them being used against you is the wrong approach to the subject. I've read that handloads won't change a good shoot to a bad shoot. However, in the instance that the facts are in question, one is better off using a round that has already had the forensic data collected on it; ie: choosing rounds which are in service by a major agency to save the $40-50,000 it may cost the defense to hire a lab to do so for one-off rounds or hand loads. How true is this? I don't know, but I'm not going to penny-pinch for defensive pistol loads that I may only shoot a few hundred of in a year. Therefore any firearm I'm taking out of my home for defensive purposes, I don't use handloads; its either Speer Gold Dots, Black Hills, or Barnes 5.56. Inside the home, my state has such favorable laws that it really shouldn't matter.
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Handloads? Why yes. Have you seen the price of factory loads these days? if you can even find it.
No further questions….
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In other news, Frank Dux did not win 321 fights.
LOL
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In other news, Frank Dux did not win 321 fights.
LOL Next you're going to say he never won the "Kumite"
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Next you're going to say he never won the "Kumite"
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It used to be that old, experienced, wise, and opinionated came as a bundle. Nowadays any boomer with opinions thinks he qualifies. Plenty of boomers have been calling BS on Mas since the eighties, but like in all generations, there's always gonna be enough gullible people to keep guys like him cashing checks.
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