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Me being the curious type let me ask this.
How does this make Bill Wilson look being associated with someone like Ayoob since most thinks Ayoob is a pile of excrement.
Also since Hackathorn is associated with him how does he look?

"Yes a person can give bad advice regarding the use of force."

He did answer you did you miss it

Doesn't mean they agree with him.

My interest in Bill has to do with the pistol itself. Ken - best way to shoot the pistol - Ayoob is talking about the legal side of it. You can be legally wrong a 100/100 but damn, you can shoot well. I look at Bill/Ken to solve my shooting issues, pistol and manual of arms. I don't necessarily look to Ayoob to be my legal expert.

We all have friends we'd not take specific advice from on topic X but would on topic Y.

I know that Clint Smith uses his reloads for his carry pistol, so he doesn't take Aboob's advice

Ahh but ole Clint has a bit of snake oil salesman in him too. Mouseberger???

One thing is for sure and certain Clint is a very accomplished handgun shooter with either hand

Not taking up for the weirdo. But Ayoob does hold a Master rating in several of the 8 IDPA divisions, so I'd say he's an accomplished shooter as well.

Gotta take most all those types with a grain or 2 of salt IMO. Some good info to be had from most of them Sorting it all out is the tricky part.

Master class in IDPA isn’t hard to do.

ETA: Even M class in uspsa in doable for a lot of people, and it’s way, way harder to get than in IDPA.

I’m more interested in match finishes than class rankings. I don’t care so much what you accomplished by showing up to enough classifiers and swinging for the fences as I am how you perform against your peers, on demand, over an entire weekend of shooting.

No, I read it and didn't miss anything.

You either missed or you are extremely obtuse

When I was shooting sporting clays a lot - you had guys that were "Masters" or "AA" ranked etc but they got all of their punches to move up in a class at the same exact courses, usually local.

Get them off their home course and away from presentations they've seen 2000 times and they'd get their arse handed to them.

Show me a guy who made AA or Master class by hitting every tournament he could in his state and the 5 surrounding - that's a guy whose classification was a bit more legitimate - IMO

If the fugger is a B class shooter, he's a decent shot. No matter home range or the Nat's. My only point about Ayoob was that he can shoot. Maybe not off his range or best every day . But discredit him for his BS, not his shooting. He can.

Dang it, discredit an IDPA master cause IDPA master is easier than USPSA master??? Give me a break.

Back in the day most shooting instructors veered out of their lane when they went from technique to tactics, many still do. FOF and combining firearms and combatives thinned the herd a bunch and the GWOT took the theorists out of the game but many are still faking it.


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A B Class shooter is a decent shot. And a B Class shooter has no business going around the country teaching people to be gunfighters. And especially not if he can't perform "off his range".

And it is fair to discredit an IDPA Master because it's easier to obtain than a USPSA Master. I'm both and I know first hand which is harder.

That's what ranking systems do, they rank people.

It ain't really his shooting skills that I have a problem with. It's his legal advice and his "expert witnessing".

Thinking that Ayoobs shooting ability was initially mentioned to verify his credentials for what he's preached. "But is that a issue for what he prints or speaks?" Even if he can shoot well or not, too which I believe he can, or once could, or even if he can't... doesn't really take away his ability to gather a plethora of data & history of shootouts, the aftermath & the outcome, form "his" opinion & present it to the reader.
Isn't his preaching simply based on gathered data of actual events, the outcome, aftermath, & repercussions? Not about his abilities as a warrior, firefight survivor or even match shooter. The info on the repercussions of is interesting for damn sure.

But he doesn't limit his teaching to that. This video is a perfect example of him giving terrible tactical advice based on his fact finding. He has an entire firearms training company built up around his persona.

I have lots of answers.

Ask the question.

That's not what he does.