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I am VERY fhuqking "surprised" that a CLUELESS Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit,enters her Hurt Feelers and quantifies her Professional Victim status...the "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

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It will only come as "news" to you,that Hornady doesn't make a .308" 230gr ELD-M,let alone same with your "heralded" .823 BC. You Professional Victim Google Gals are funnier than fhuqk! HINT.

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Please "tell" me more of your "facts". HINT.

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Some folks shoot,but you "get" to read about it. Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even you can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................


Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Oooh you got me there... 230 A tip match.... hahahahhahahaha

And yes it does have a .823 G1 bc


Originally Posted by Judman
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Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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The 225 Eld match has a B.C. of .777 compare that to your 7MM


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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My 300 Norma Improved with a 230 a-tip handily beats the cited 7mm-08/180 load posted at all ranges but admittedly uses about 2x the powder with 50% more recoil which is a consideration one has to make to get essentially 2x the energy on target. at longer ranges.

I shoot a couple 7’s for a lot of things but for big animals and longer distances I like the 300 NMI and 338 Edge better.

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When I first got into long range shooting/not hunting, I quickly moved up the horsepower ladder , did the 300WM with a 208 A max and concluded with a 338 Lapua.
The recoil and powder consumption penalty was simply too much for me.
Now I settled on the 243, 224 & 264 calibers... I do miss the impact of those big calibers though... the 224's are fun but have serious disadvantages, such as spotting misses,
the impact is simply too small unless you have a fine dry dirt bank behind the target.
I would never fault a guy for wanting a 300 mag , especially for hunting!


Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by MallardAddict
My 300 Norma Improved with a 230 a-tip handily beats the cited 7mm-08/180 load posted at all ranges but admittedly uses about 2x the powder with 50% more recoil which is a consideration one has to make to get essentially 2x the energy on target. at longer ranges.

I shoot a couple 7’s for a lot of things but for big animals and longer distances I like the 300 NMI and 338 Edge better.


Though NOT proud of it,I've had/have a schit pile of .30's,though none of greater capacity than 30-378,nor any barrels longer than 30". Hint.

It's been a constant from the start,that .284 BC's are farrrrrrrrrr more meaningful,in relation to BC/mass ratios and that their mass is easier to squirt at greater velocity,in chamberings of like capacity. You gotta add muchly CC's to the .30's,in order to crowd the .284's abilities and that hurts Tender Feelers,if only as this and all other Threads quantify. Hint.(grin)

Personally,I've never been an "Energy" Guy and the forecast don't indicate any changes. I'm an Impact Velocity and Atmospherics Defeating Guy,if only because such things are glaring and easily quantified,where "Energy" is smoke & mirrors. Hint.

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I'm SERIOUSLY contemplating going on a rampage and whistlin' through all of my 243Win FC fodder,so I can send it to Kali,for the 8" RPM 7-08 transformation,in a dupe at 21". Have a few others that I feed ala AICS,but FC goodness is real,when it comes to Mechanics. Hint.

Droolers can't even begin to comprehend. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............


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Originally Posted by MallardAddict
My 300 Norma Improved with a 230 a-tip handily beats the cited 7mm-08/180 load posted at all ranges but admittedly uses about 2x the powder with 50% more recoil which is a consideration one has to make to get essentially 2x the energy on target. at longer ranges.

I shoot a couple 7’s for a lot of things but for big animals and longer distances I like the 300 NMI and 338 Edge better.

And that’s where the difference lies. The bench bunny/wannabe killer crew poppin bus sized rocks all day generally don’t know jack shiit, other than killin kelp fed beach bears and calling in rut dumb 75lb Sitka bucks, where a muzzleloader would suffice just as good.

Bacon throat, I could fill your Indian rez shack with bull horns I’ve killed/been around being killed. A 7/08 wouldn’t even rate a thunk on an elk rifle spectrum, though I saw 3 bulls killed one morning with said chambering. Lotsa holes in all 3 by the time it was said and done, and a 300 Roy batted cleanup. Haha


You stick to your imagination and pretend, rattling your Pom poms knowing you wil NEVER hunt elk the rest of your life, cuunt.😂👊🏻

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PS, the gargling is loud and clear!!! So loud the city slickers can hear it!! 😆


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It is HILARIOUS how disconcerting it is,to all the Crying Karens,that the wares simply exist. Talked to The Plumber,ordered a spout and will flog on the 243Win Fieldcraft Donor. Hint.

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I reckon it's rude of me,not to dangle a Fieldcraft pic,for all of the Whiners who can't "afford" or have never "seen" one. Hint.

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Might go 20.75" in length,just to put The 30 Gang at a bit of ease and keep things "fair". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................


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Originally Posted by irfubar
Oooh you got me there... 230 A tip match.... hahahahhahahaha

And yes it does have a .823 G1 bc
Originally Posted by irfubar
The 225 Eld match has a B.C. of .777 compare that to your 7MM
It takes a lot more powder and recoil for a 0.308" 230 ATip with 0.823 G1 BC or 225 ELD-M with 0.777 G1 BC to match the impact velocity and wind resistance of a 7mm 190 ATip with 0.838 G1 BC or a 7mm 180 ELD-M with 0.796 G1 BC.

Out to 600 yards any of the above will do, but the 7mm will do it with less recoil and powder consumption, and with plenty of smack on target.

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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by irfubar
Oooh you got me there... 230 A tip match.... hahahahhahahaha

And yes it does have a .823 G1 bc
Originally Posted by irfubar
The 225 Eld match has a B.C. of .777 compare that to your 7MM
It takes a lot more powder and recoil for a 0.308" 230 ATip with 0.823 G1 BC or 225 ELD-M with 0.777 G1 BC to match the impact velocity and wind resistance of a 7mm 190 ATip with 0.838 G1 BC or a 7mm 180 ELD-M with 0.796 G1 BC.

Out to 600 yards any of the above will do, but the 7mm will do it with less recoil and powder consumption, and with plenty of smack on target.

But Stick says a 7mm-08 will beat the 300....


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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I connected this afternoon with an old Oklahoma whitetail with a my 300 PRC using a single factory 225 ELDm and he was DRT. Didn’t even twitch after his chin hit the earth. How dead is dead?? Thank you lord for that opportunity.

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I've loaded the 28 Nosler with 175g Accubonds to 3200 fps out of a 26 inch barrel.
I ran N570.
I've yet to drill anything with it but the smith has built 6 or 7
Reports are lots of DRTS from elk to deer .

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Originally Posted by Milkfever
Originally Posted by Orion2000
.300 Win Mag is the easy button. Recently took the path less traveled and had a LH Win M70 rebarreled for .300H&H with a 1:8" barrel. Why an 8" twist barrel? For the same reason I chose the .300H&H. Because that is what I wanted. And yes, the .300H&H's have been the absolute slickest feeding rifles I have ever owned...
What bullet are you going to shoot?

I laid in a goodly supply of 200gr Nosler Partitions several years ago. An accurate 200gr NPT load at 2750-2800fps should kill everything I will ever need to kill. "On paper", the Nosler ABLR 168gr should get me to 1,000 yards with one spin of the elevation turret on the Swarovski 2-16 I just acquired. Recently gained access to an area to shoot 700-800 yards. Figure I will have some fun while learning new skill.

@Beretz.... Yes, with 8" twist, I should be able to stabilize just about any 30 caliber bullet at 0*F standing on the shore of the Dead Sea... wink



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It hurts 30cal Feelers right regular,to extrapolate a 21" 7-08 and a 180 ELD at 2600fps,to the things they swoon. Hint.


300 "Mag" 200gr NPT at 2800fps. Hint.

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21" 7-08/180 ELD-M at 2600fps. Hint.

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Just saying...............


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When presented with all the "proof" of the superiority of one caliber over another, my first thought is always, "So what?". If a person's ideal rifle is one that launches a round nose bullet at 2500 and does what he requires of it, it's a good rifle for him. Now, if he built this rifle with the idea of shooting at 1000 yds, he may have taken a wrong turn, but it is a fact that good results can be had with outfits which are, theoretically, less than optimal. GD
PS. If I wanted a 30 mag., my first choice would be a 308 Norma or a 30-338.

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dumbdog,

Stupid is never "smart",despite your "life" spent trying to make it so...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Pardon simplistic facts,upsetting you so. If it swoons you and your "approach",I'll happily trade you 1:1 my $1 bills for your $5,so you can REALLY correlate your "stance". Not that you have $5! Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) heart.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
'retzs,

While the cited 208 and 212's are better than a buncha' 30cal. stuff,neither can match a .264 147's BC and that probably stings. The 208 is .690,the 212 .663 and the 147 .697...none of which is a .796 and I shoot them all. Hint.(grin)

In 30cal,you gotta go 225 ELD M and it's .777 BC,to crowd the 7mm 180's. Rest ASSURED,the 30's of like capacity,ain't gonna squirt the 225gr at anything approaching the 180's velocity. Though on the "bright" side,it will recoil a fhuqk of a lot more. Hint.(grin)

If you go Beer Can,the 7mm 190 tosses a .838BC,but the 30cal 250 has a .878 BC. GOOD "luck" on adding 60grs of mass and approaching the 190's Launch Speed,in like capacity. Hint.(grin)

Hell...190's in 7-06 SALAMI are fhuqking sensational. Hint.

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Just sayin'................
Can't argue with the logic Stick is slinging.

7mm RM gets it done with a lot less fuss than the big thirties.


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If you want a 300 mag I would go with one that you can buy Brass for. Work up an accurate load with a bullet that shoots in your rifle and performs well on game. You can use a rangefinder so you know how much elevation you need. You don't have to shoot the bullet with the highest BC available. Just learn where it shoots at distance and compensate for it.

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I have an 18.5" fieldcraft 7-08 that shoots the 180s at 2550 and will do consistent 1/2 moa when the scope on it is holding together.

I had been wanting a 7 Creedmoor spec'd for heavies but the 3" mag box on the fc and whatever spec reamer Barrett uses it all works great as a plain old 7-08.

I'm just using starline brass which has been good for the money and h4350. I tried staball 6.5 and got a bit more speed but accuracy SD and es were all much better with h4350.

I put together a faux ti in 7-08 about 20 years ago and experimented with all kinds of loads in it the first year before settling on h4350 and 162 amaxes at close to 2700. Loved that little rifle but with the FC the old faux ti action is now a 22 creed and the 7-08 mtn barrel is now rat holed in a box in the basement.

The 7 rem is what I recommend to all the people getting started or looking for a long range hunting rifle but I'm really interested in the 7 prc now. I know it's not going to do much more but it has my interest.

Although I just got a 22" sporter remage 8 twist 280 ai a while back that may shoot well enough with 180s and 190s to keep me happy. It gives me 250-300 fps over the FC 7-08.

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I have a 300 Win Mag and two 300 Weatherby Magnums. I like them all I think you're missing something if you leave out the 300 Weatherby.

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