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I went on a groundhog hunt yesterday and I thought I would share my success with all of you. The location is a farm in the mountains of Virginia and it was a beautiful evening. Here are some pics of some of the fields:

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Here is a pic of my Remington 591 chambered in 5mm Remington Magnum:

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I removed the original finish to expose the beautiful wood underneath and mounted an older Leupold 3-9x40 with the friction adjustments. I am shooting the Remington 38 grain HP which I posted a thread a few days ago on Saubier.com asking about the B.C. of the bullet. I mainly wanted to see what my drop would be to 200 yards. I didn't have a place where I was shooting to check that far, so I wanted to see what kind of drop I would be expecting.

When I got there the landowner's friend was in the fields training his dog so I had to wait a bit to hunt where I wanted. Anyway as luck would have it I saw a large hole in one field and I though I saw the back of a groundhog's head sticking out of a hole roughly 150 yards away. There was a little bit of grass in front and I just wasn't sure with the 9x. I waited probably 10 minutes thinking the chuck might be spooky because of the dog and the firing the other guy was doing.

I decided to walk to view another field and as I did I saw a groundhog stand up at 132 yards away (laser rangefinder). I got done in the prone position and noted I had a bit of a cross wind quartering from my left to right. The groundhog's head was pointed with his nose to my right. I aimed just below his ear and touched off a shot. I got to see everything through the scope because of the lack of recoil. It immediately dropped and stood up again. It looked wobbly and took it's paws and kept wiping it's face like it was trying to groom itself. I thought that was weird, so I chambered another round. It went down again in the taller grass and reappeared a yard further to the right and stood up again looking in the same direction as before. This time I could see the head and shoulders. I quickly put the cross hairs on the edge of his shoulder in line with his back. The shot dropped it hard and it was noticeably hurt and trying to crawl with limitations. It managed to get in some tall grass and I could no longer see it from my position. I waited a few minutes and then went down to see if I had hit it. I found the groundhog within a couple of feet from its hole:

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Upon inspection I noticed my last shot, but wasn't sure what happened on my first shot. After a few minutes I realized the first shot sort of penciled through the front of its face:

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Here is a pic of the exit wound where it went through the neck and shoulder:
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All in all I am very pleased with the outcome. The rifle is a joy to carry and feels light as a feather compared to my other varmint rifles. I hope to use this some more for groundhogs and fall turkey season. If any of you have experience with this old round please post and let me know your experiences.

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VERY cool!


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Reminds me of days gone past. Enjoy.


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This is the 5mm rimfire? I had one when they first came out, enjoyed it a lot. Gave it to my younger brothers years ago, don't know where it went from there, but I'd like to have it back!

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GREAT STUFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Loving the wood and the re-finish job on your rifle !!!!

I just smacked one last week that ran for the high weeds but stopped for one last look. I was proud (amazed, more like it) that I landed it right where I was aiming offhand. I'm a lousy offhand shot. This was with a 592M and the Aguila/Centurion 30 grain HP. I heard it hit. Dropped him like a lightning bolt.

Been carting the 592M on my coyote calling missions lately, too. The coyotes have been whooping me good, so far, so no chance to see how it does on them, yet. Posted this in another room. But here's my 592M (Burris 4.5x14-42) sitting patiently this past Saturday morning.......waiting to perforate a coyote.

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GREAT STUFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just smacked one last week that ran for the high weeds but stopped for one last look. I was proud (amazed, more like it) that I landed it right where I was aiming offhand. I'm a lousy offhand shot. This was with a 592M and the Aguila/Centurion 30 grain HP. I heard it hit. Dropped him like a lightning bolt.

Been carting the 592M on my coyote calling missions lately, too. The coyotes have been whooping me good, so far, so no chance to see how it does on them, yet. Posted this in another room. But here's my 592M (Burris 4.5x14-42) sitting patiently this past Saturday morning.......waiting to perforate a coyote.

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Sweet!!!

Have you had any problems getting the Aguila/Centurion ammo to chamber and extract in your rifle? I tried it mine and it was rather difficult compared to the Remington ammo.

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Very cool to see you guys keeping the 5mm alive. If I had somewhere to shoot chucks, (closest ones are at least 100 miles) I'd be tempted to round up a 5mm and some ammo. Not much use for one around here unfortunately.

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The Aguila stuff was inaccurate as heck in my cousin's rifle when we tried it.

Will have to swap scopes and rule that out.

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It would have been nice if the 5mm REM mag would have survived commercially, I would have like to try it. I guess the shooting world just wasn’t ready for it back then. I didn’t even know about it until it was discontinued.


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Originally Posted by ruffcutt
It would have been nice if the 5mm REM mag would have survived commercially, I would have like to try it. I guess the shooting world just wasn’t ready for it back then. I didn’t even know about it until it was discontinued.


I thought it might make a comeback when the .17 HMR was red hot. Taurus cataloged a revolver but don't know if any actually made it to market.

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Pretty cool guys.

Had the chance to buy one, don't recall if it was the tube or magazine version, but I never heard of anything really good with the Centurion ammo, so passed.

barm, nice work on the re-finish and thanks for sharing on the cartridge that was probably ahead of its time.
Remington wasn't afraid at that time to get creative.

Thanks for keeping it alive in the fields.

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Originally Posted by barm
Sweet!!!

Have you had any problems getting the Aguila/Centurion ammo to chamber and extract in your rifle? I tried it mine and it was rather difficult compared to the Remington ammo.

I have not.

Now......... I haven't used original Remington or Peters ammo. So I've nothing to compare it to. But I've never felt there was any undue effort either way (in or out) with the Aguila/Centurion stuff. I also haven't shot my 591M very much at all. It's about a 99% gun so I'd rather keep it that way. And from what little I did shoot it.........the 592M shot better.

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The Aguila stuff was inaccurate as heck in my cousin's rifle when we tried it.

I've read other accounts echoing yours. Again.......... I have no other ammo to compare to. But I've no accuracy complaints in the 592M. To date, my best on a woodchuck is 280 lasered yards. Shot it after another guy said it was too far for his .22 Hornet. grin I know the gun will do another 50 yards beyond that, or more under the right conditions.


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Originally Posted by mjbgalt
The Aguila stuff was inaccurate as heck in my cousin's rifle when we tried it.

Will have to swap scopes and rule that out.

The Aguila HP shot really well in mine, but the soft point with the hollow point was terrible.

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My 591 has shot the centurion ammo pretty darn well.

Nice work Barm, your pics make me want to get mine out of the safe

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Originally Posted by barm
The Aguila HP shot really well in mine, but the soft point with the hollow point was terrible.

This is funny, because the soft point with the hollow point is what I'm shooting and it does very well. I have some of the Varmint Hollow Point stuff. But I haven't done much serious range time with it yet.


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Originally Posted by Dude270
My 591 has shot the centurion ammo pretty darn well.

Nice work Barm, your pics make me want to get mine out of the safe

It is a neat rifle and cartridge. I am glad that more people out there have one.

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My 591 has shot the centurion ammo pretty darn well.

Nice work Barm, your pics make me want to get mine out of the safe

It is a neat rifle and cartridge. I am glad that more people out there have one.


You're not in this alone, brother. You have a (albeit small) support group. grin


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Originally Posted by Yoder409
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Originally Posted by Dude270
My 591 has shot the centurion ammo pretty darn well.

Nice work Barm, your pics make me want to get mine out of the safe

It is a neat rifle and cartridge. I am glad that more people out there have one.


You're not in this alone, brother. You have a (albeit small) support group. grin


Agreed.

I've always had a soft spot for them. When I was a kid my dad kept a 591 propped up behind the door of our cabin. It was the catch all-do all gun for anything that needed shooting around the place. He kinda gave up on his when the original remington ammo dried up.

I ended up with one and a few bricks of centurion ammo probably close to 20 years ago. It was my favorite woods loafing rifle for a long time. I need to get it out again

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Great write up & photos Barm. Thanks for sharing.


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Originally Posted by ruffcutt
It would have been nice if the 5mm REM mag would have survived commercially, I would have like to try it. I guess the shooting world just wasn’t ready for it back then. I didn’t even know about it until it was discontinued.


You still CAN try it. It's just gonna cost you some money. Kinda interesting that these same rifles were $125 all day long until Aguila/Centurion started producing the ammo again.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/948946895

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/941106196

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/947956561

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2624230772?pid=230772


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Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
Great write up & photos Barm. Thanks for sharing.

Thank you for the kind words. I hope to get out there again soon.

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I got mine for Christmas in 1970, and I have 198 rounds of original Remington 38gr Power Lokt's left.

About all I use it for is fall turkey, so I think I have enough ammo to last me, lol.

Back when I got it, I lived on 389 acres in N. Illinois, made up of woods and ponds, and shot lot's of stuff with that rifle. That Power Lokt bullet worked very well.

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A few weeks ago I came by a gunshop that was going out of business and got 2 bricks of Aguila 30gr for $400, I should be good for a long while. For my 592

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I hope that was a misprint! That’s up there with Eley Tenex in price!!!

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Originally Posted by DANNYL
A few weeks ago I came by a gunshop that was going out of business and got 2 bricks of Aguila 30gr for $400, I should be good for a long while. For my 592

At $200/brick............YOU, sir, should go to confession !!!! grin

You done GOOOOOD !!!!!


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Wow I had no idea that ammo was going for that kind of money. I always thought the 5mm was the “right” answer even though it never really caught on.

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It would have been a whole lot MORE the right answer had more rifles been offered.

Put it in a Ruger and a CZ and see what would have happened.

There only ever were 30-some thousand Remington rifles built. The ammo is expensive because there's a small market for it AND it's a limited production run product.


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Originally Posted by Yoder409
It would have been a whole lot MORE the right answer had more rifles been offered.

Put it in a Ruger and a CZ and see what would have happened.

There only ever were 30-some thousand Remington rifles built. The ammo is expensive because there's a small market for it AND it's a limited production run product.
Except it wouldn't work in any existing Ruger or CZ rimfire rifle. The pressure of the 5mm at 36,000 cup is too high for ordinary rimfire actions. Remington had to do some reengineering on their six lug rimfire action to make it work. Being a rimfire cartridge operating at that pressure required the whole case, including the rim be supported by the chamber and bolt face in order to contain it. They also needed to develop the unique sliding extractor/ejector assembly that slides into the left rear of the chamber alongside the case in order to help facilitate reliable extraction.

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Originally Posted by Yoder409
Originally Posted by DANNYL
A few weeks ago I came by a gunshop that was going out of business and got 2 bricks of Aguila 30gr for $400, I should be good for a long while. For my 592

At $200/brick............YOU, sir, should go to confession !!!! grin

You done GOOOOOD !!!!!


This is my confession.

Ya he wanted $300 a brick and I continued looking around he came over and said he'd sell both together for $400, told him ok if he eats the tax and he said he'd split it so I agreed with that.

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by Yoder409
It would have been a whole lot MORE the right answer had more rifles been offered.

Put it in a Ruger and a CZ and see what would have happened.

There only ever were 30-some thousand Remington rifles built. The ammo is expensive because there's a small market for it AND it's a limited production run product.
Except it wouldn't work in any existing Ruger or CZ rimfire rifle. The pressure of the 5mm at 36,000 cup is too high for ordinary rimfire actions. Remington had to do some reengineering on their six lug rimfire action to make it work. Being a rimfire cartridge operating at that pressure required the whole case, including the rim be supported by the chamber and bolt face in order to contain it. They also needed to develop the unique sliding extractor/ejector assembly that slides into the left rear of the chamber alongside the case in order to help facilitate reliable extraction.

Yeah............ It'd have to be a ground-up, new design.


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Originally Posted by DANNYL
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Originally Posted by DANNYL
A few weeks ago I came by a gunshop that was going out of business and got 2 bricks of Aguila 30gr for $400, I should be good for a long while. For my 592

At $200/brick............YOU, sir, should go to confession !!!! grin

You done GOOOOOD !!!!!


This is my confession.

Ya he wanted $300 a brick and I continued looking around he came over and said he'd sell both together for $400, told him ok if he eats the tax and he said he'd split it so I agreed with that.

I would have too !!! In a heartbeat !!!

GREAT snag !!!!!


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by Yoder409
It would have been a whole lot MORE the right answer had more rifles been offered.

Put it in a Ruger and a CZ and see what would have happened.

There only ever were 30-some thousand Remington rifles built. The ammo is expensive because there's a small market for it AND it's a limited production run product.
Except it wouldn't work in any existing Ruger or CZ rimfire rifle. The pressure of the 5mm at 36,000 cup is too high for ordinary rimfire actions. Remington had to do some reengineering on their six lug rimfire action to make it work. Being a rimfire cartridge operating at that pressure required the whole case, including the rim be supported by the chamber and bolt face in order to contain it. They also needed to develop the unique sliding extractor/ejector assembly that slides into the left rear of the chamber alongside the case in order to help facilitate reliable extraction.

Eric from varminter.com built a 5mm Rem Mag on a CZ 452.

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Originally Posted by barm
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It would have been a whole lot MORE the right answer had more rifles been offered.

Put it in a Ruger and a CZ and see what would have happened.

There only ever were 30-some thousand Remington rifles built. The ammo is expensive because there's a small market for it AND it's a limited production run product.
Except it wouldn't work in any existing Ruger or CZ rimfire rifle. The pressure of the 5mm at 36,000 cup is too high for ordinary rimfire actions. Remington had to do some reengineering on their six lug rimfire action to make it work. Being a rimfire cartridge operating at that pressure required the whole case, including the rim be supported by the chamber and bolt face in order to contain it. They also needed to develop the unique sliding extractor/ejector assembly that slides into the left rear of the chamber alongside the case in order to help facilitate reliable extraction.

Eric from varminter.com built a 5mm Rem Mag on a CZ 452.
Maybe not the best idea at .357 magnum pressures in a rimfire case. There were reasons Remington didn't just straight up rechamber the 581 to 5mm and call it good and they were outlined above.

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Originally Posted by Yoder409
It would have been a whole lot MORE the right answer had more rifles been offered.

Put it in a Ruger and a CZ and see what would have happened.

There only ever were 30-some thousand Remington rifles built. The ammo is expensive because there's a small market for it AND it's a limited production run product.
Except it wouldn't work in any existing Ruger or CZ rimfire rifle. The pressure of the 5mm at 36,000 cup is too high for ordinary rimfire actions. Remington had to do some reengineering on their six lug rimfire action to make it work. Being a rimfire cartridge operating at that pressure required the whole case, including the rim be supported by the chamber and bolt face in order to contain it. They also needed to develop the unique sliding extractor/ejector assembly that slides into the left rear of the chamber alongside the case in order to help facilitate reliable extraction.

Eric from varminter.com built a 5mm Rem Mag on a CZ 452.
Maybe not the best idea at .357 magnum pressures in a rimfire case. There were reasons Remington didn't just straight up rechamber the 581 to 5mm and call it good and they were outlined above.

Yep. A new platform would have to created. But I think it could be done and SHOULD have been done.

The .17 WSM (at 33000) runs almost to 5mm Rem Mag pressures. Thinking something in .17 WSM could be made to handle the 5mm. Not outright, because I believe there's a difference in rim thickness or something. But along the same lines. Maybe just a different bolt face.


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It would have been a whole lot MORE the right answer had more rifles been offered.

Put it in a Ruger and a CZ and see what would have happened.

There only ever were 30-some thousand Remington rifles built. The ammo is expensive because there's a small market for it AND it's a limited production run product.
Except it wouldn't work in any existing Ruger or CZ rimfire rifle. The pressure of the 5mm at 36,000 cup is too high for ordinary rimfire actions. Remington had to do some reengineering on their six lug rimfire action to make it work. Being a rimfire cartridge operating at that pressure required the whole case, including the rim be supported by the chamber and bolt face in order to contain it. They also needed to develop the unique sliding extractor/ejector assembly that slides into the left rear of the chamber alongside the case in order to help facilitate reliable extraction.

Eric from varminter.com built a 5mm Rem Mag on a CZ 452.
Maybe not the best idea at .357 magnum pressures in a rimfire case. There were reasons Remington didn't just straight up rechamber the 581 to 5mm and call it good and they were outlined above.

Yep. A new platform would have to created. But I think it could be done and SHOULD have been done.

The .17 WSM (at 33000) runs almost to 5mm Rem Mag pressures. Thinking something in .17 WSM could be made to handle the 5mm. Not outright, because I believe there's a difference in rim thickness or something. But along the same lines. Maybe just a different bolt face.
At this point I think I'd rather just see a 5mm WSM brought to market.

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At this point I think I'd rather just see a 5mm WSM brought to market.

Possible idea. Yep.


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Very cool gun and way to go barm for getting the old girl back out doing what she was meant to do!

If I recall correctly, there was at least one smithing company converting these Remington's to center fire, and the same or maybe a different one making center fire 5mm cases available. I think I read about it on the saubier (sp) forums.

I don't know if that stuff is still being done these days.


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Grew up shooting ground hogs in fields like that in Virginia. Very few left in the area I hunt.

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I have two 5mms - one 591 and one 592. I did the Schroeder conversion on one to a centerfire 5mm and ordered several hundred cases at the time. The other one I left original (the Schroeder conversion can be converted back to original if desired). Worked up a load with 40 grain ballistic tips but had to remove the bullet tip to fit the magazine. It shot incredibly well and killed a few groundhogs with it but my limited attention span had me on to other projects - may have to get it out and try and revive the interest?!!

Thanks for posting Barm - brought back some memories of days past!!

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Originally Posted by k22hornet
I got mine for Christmas in 1970, and I have 198 rounds of original Remington 38gr Power Lokt's left.

About all I use it for is fall turkey, so I think I have enough ammo to last me, lol.

Back when I got it, I lived on 389 acres in N. Illinois, made up of woods and ponds, and shot lot's of stuff with that rifle. That Power Lokt bullet worked very well.
What kind of shot placement do you prefer with the 5mm and turkey?

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Originally Posted by blairvt
Grew up shooting ground hogs in fields like that in Virginia. Very few left in the area I hunt.
They are dwindling here too.

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Originally Posted by PennDog
I have two 5mms - one 591 and one 592. I did the Schroeder conversion on one to a centerfire 5mm and ordered several hundred cases at the time. The other one I left original (the Schroeder conversion can be converted back to original if desired). Worked up a load with 40 grain ballistic tips but had to remove the bullet tip to fit the magazine. It shot incredibly well and killed a few groundhogs with it but my limited attention span had me on to other projects - may have to get it out and try and revive the interest?!!

Thanks for posting Barm - brought back some memories of days past!!

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Sounds like a cool project. It’s nice to have options if I can’t find ammo. I hope you get it out and do some shooting with it.

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Originally Posted by slugflinger
Very cool gun and way to go barm for getting the old girl back out doing what she was meant to do!

If I recall correctly, there was at least one smithing company converting these Remington's to center fire, and the same or maybe a different one making center fire 5mm cases available. I think I read about it on the saubier (sp) forums.

I don't know if that stuff is still being done these days.

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I managed to get out again and shoot some more groundhogs. The first hog was little and the grass is getting taller again. It is really hard to see when you walk-up on it. It is to the right of the rifle.

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Here it is with me standing over it.

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Here is a better look at it.

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The bullet performed well.

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I had one more shot that day and it was a huge groundhog with only its head and shoulders out of a huge hole in the field. I shot and it went down. I found some blood on the vegetation, but I couldn't see him in the hole. I am sure it was a mortal wound, but he got back in the hole.

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This 591 5mm Mag is becoming a really fun rifle to carry and use in the field.

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Fine piece of shootin' !!!


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I thought about a Rem 5mm for a while but by the time I really got serious, they were discontinued… dangit. The ballistics of the factory R-P Power lokt bullets looked pretty good.


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I owned the Remington rifles and shot them when they came out. They should have had the 17hmr following

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Originally Posted by blanket
They should have had the 17hmr following

Agreed!

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I just bought one n always had the desire for one. Now that you can ammo..im stocking up on it.
Very nice post OP.....Nice pics n discription !

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Originally Posted by Bear1998
I just bought one n always had the desire for one. Now that you can ammo..im stocking up on it.
Very nice post OP.....Nice pics n discription !
Thanks. Let us know how your rifle performs.

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