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Bonds record is phony & fraudulent & Aaron played forever, much of that time on poorer teams so no need to pitch around him much, so he got so much better & many more, good looks at good pitches to hit.
If Ted Williams had had a full career, he probably would be near Aaron's numbers.................but sadly, he didn't.
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MM Yep! +100 Ted Williams had to take time out to fight in 2 wars. Read he was one heck of a good pilot. He will always be the best hitter, in my book. Bonds “record” should be struck from any and all record books. Glad they didn’t let that POS in the Baseball HOF. No one will ever surpass Ted Williams’ 1941 batting average - .406 - with 37 homers and 120 RBIs. Instead of protecting his .400+ average, he went six for eight at bats in his last game that year. He was a hitter, not just a home run hitter, the likes of which it’s unlikely we’ll ever see again. And BTW, that was during an era that sacrifice fly ball outs counted against batting average (he had six that year). I also agree with Shrapnel about the Babe. His ratio of home runs to at-bats is incredible.
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I hope he makes it to 700. Good guy and good for the game with everyone trending towards shorter careers now. I doubt we ever see anyone get close again.
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Ruth? Aaron? Nobody mentions Steroid Barry?
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I hope he makes it to 700. Good guy and good for the game with everyone trending towards shorter careers now. I doubt we ever see anyone get close again. Wish he'd never left St. Louis in the first place but he is indeed a good guy and good for the game. With the money being made today, there's no need for guys to prolong careers.
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Seems fitting he's with St. Louis. The greatest baseball city in the USA.
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The Cardinals should go deep into the playoff, really should be in the WS, so Pujols has a good chance to pass The Babe.
Hard to really compare the game from Ruth's time until now though................much harder for Ruth, relative to today's conditions, IMO.
Bonds record is phony & fraudulent & Aaron played forever, much of that time on poorer teams so no need to pitch around him much, so he got so much better & many more, good looks at good pitches to hit.
If Ted Williams had had a full career, he probably would be near Aaron's numbers.................but sadly, he didn't.
JMHO
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I wouldn't be surprised to see him pass Babe Ruth. I don't think he'll pass the real leader, Hank Aaron. With two thousand more at bats to get to the 715 mark...
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Seems fitting he's with St. Louis. The greatest baseball city in the USA. One would be hard-pressed to present a compelling argument against that.
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Bonds record is phony & fraudulent & Aaron played forever, much of that time on poorer teams so no need to pitch around him much, so he got so much better & many more, good looks at good pitches to hit.
If Ted Williams had had a full career, he probably would be near Aaron's numbers.................but sadly, he didn't.
JMHO
MM Yep! +100 Ted Williams had to take time out to fight in 2 wars. Read he was one heck of a good pilot. He will always be the best hitter, in my book. Bonds “record” should be struck from any and all record books. Glad they didn’t let that POS in the Baseball HOF. No one will ever surpass Ted Williams’ 1941 batting average - .406 - with 37 homers and 120 RBIs. Instead of protecting his .400+ average, he went six for eight at bats in his last game that year. He was a hitter, not just a home run hitter, the likes of which it’s unlikely we’ll ever see again. And BTW, that was during an era that sacrifice fly ball outs counted against batting average (he had six that year). I also agree with Shrapnel about the Babe. His ratio of home runs to at-bats is incredible. One thing about the Babe though, he played is a park that was designed for his swing. The right field corner was very short. In my opinion Ted Williams was the greatest hitter of the modern era. Don't forget that Williams played in Boston where the right field bleachers were a long ways from home plate. He would lead most hitting categories if not for his military service.
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Not sure why everyone is dogging on Bonds. He hit those long balls just the same as all the other guys
Not like he was using corked bats and huiced balls. Drugs are part of professional sports culture, no way around it. Roger Maris and his Era used Amphetamines, I'm sure the guys before that used whatever they could find.
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Bonds record is phony & fraudulent & Aaron played forever, much of that time on poorer teams so no need to pitch around him much, so he got so much better & many more, good looks at good pitches to hit.
If Ted Williams had had a full career, he probably would be near Aaron's numbers.................but sadly, he didn't.
JMHO
MM Yep! +100 Ted Williams had to take time out to fight in 2 wars. Read he was one heck of a good pilot. He will always be the best hitter, in my book. Bonds “record” should be struck from any and all record books. Glad they didn’t let that POS in the Baseball HOF. No one will ever surpass Ted Williams’ 1941 batting average - .406 - with 37 homers and 120 RBIs. Instead of protecting his .400+ average, he went six for eight at bats in his last game that year. He was a hitter, not just a home run hitter, the likes of which it’s unlikely we’ll ever see again. And BTW, that was during an era that sacrifice fly ball outs counted against batting average (he had six that year). I also agree with Shrapnel about the Babe. His ratio of home runs to at-bats is incredible. One thing about the Babe though, he played is a park that was designed for his swing. The right field corner was very short. In my opinion Ted Williams was the greatest hitter of the modern era. Don't forget that Williams played in Boston where the right field bleachers were a long ways from home plate. He would lead most hitting categories if not for his military service. You consider Ted Williams part of the modern era? He gave some insight in '98 as to why no one would hit over .400 again. Starters don't go as deep in the games and he wasn't facing bullpen specialists. He got a lot of hits the 3rd or 4th time he saw a starter in a game. Not taking away from how good he was, just played/managed differently today.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see him pass Babe Ruth. I don't think he'll pass the real leader, Hank Aaron. This is his last season. He'd need to hit 17 in 2 weeks to pass Ruth. Not even 'Roids will get him there.
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Not sure why everyone is dogging on Bonds. He hit those long balls just the same as all the other guys
Not like he was using corked bats and huiced balls. Drugs are part of professional sports culture, no way around it. Roger Maris and his Era used Amphetamines, I'm sure the guys before that used whatever they could find. People love to virtue signal. Bonds is a world class ass, but he was a multiple MVP winner and future HOF'er before he ever stuck a needle in his butt. I don't have a issue with Bonds, McGuire or Sosa being inducted into Cooperstown. It wasn't hormones that put that the bat on the ball, it was elite hand eye coordination. Did the PED's distort the numbers? Sure. So take 100 HRs off of all their stats and they are still HOFers.
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Not sure why everyone is dogging on Bonds. He hit those long balls just the same as all the other guys
Not like he was using corked bats and huiced balls. Drugs are part of professional sports culture, no way around it. Roger Maris and his Era used Amphetamines, I'm sure the guys before that used whatever they could find. And in the end, I wouldn't surprised if they found out that Puhols was 'juiced' along the way . . . . .
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Bonds record is phony & fraudulent & Aaron played forever, much of that time on poorer teams so no need to pitch around him much, so he got so much better & many more, good looks at good pitches to hit.
If Ted Williams had had a full career, he probably would be near Aaron's numbers.................but sadly, he didn't.
JMHO
MM Yep! +100 Ted Williams had to take time out to fight in 2 wars. Read he was one heck of a good pilot. He will always be the best hitter, in my book. Bonds “record” should be struck from any and all record books. Glad they didn’t let that POS in the Baseball HOF. No one will ever surpass Ted Williams’ 1941 batting average - .406 - with 37 homers and 120 RBIs. Instead of protecting his .400+ average, he went six for eight at bats in his last game that year. He was a hitter, not just a home run hitter, the likes of which it’s unlikely we’ll ever see again. And BTW, that was during an era that sacrifice fly ball outs counted against batting average (he had six that year). I also agree with Shrapnel about the Babe. His ratio of home runs to at-bats is incredible. One thing about the Babe though, he played is a park that was designed for his swing. The right field corner was very short. In my opinion Ted Williams was the greatest hitter of the modern era. Don't forget that Williams played in Boston where the right field bleachers were a long ways from home plate. He would lead most hitting categories if not for his military service. Are you forgetting it is 302 ft down the right field line at Fenway and hitting the monster is an easy hit (think Wade Boggs)? Old Yankee Stadium (when Ruth played) had dead center at 490' and the alleys were 460 and 429 feet. Interesting take on HR's lost at old Yankee Stadium
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Still, hard to beat Ted Williams.
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If Williams would have hit against the shift?
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Bonds record is phony & fraudulent & Aaron played forever, much of that time on poorer teams so no need to pitch around him much, so he got so much better & many more, good looks at good pitches to hit.
If Ted Williams had had a full career, he probably would be near Aaron's numbers.................but sadly, he didn't.
JMHO
MM Yep! +100 Ted Williams had to take time out to fight in 2 wars. Read he was one heck of a good pilot. He will always be the best hitter, in my book. Bonds “record” should be struck from any and all record books. Glad they didn’t let that POS in the Baseball HOF. No one will ever surpass Ted Williams’ 1941 batting average - .406 - with 37 homers and 120 RBIs. Instead of protecting his .400+ average, he went six for eight at bats in his last game that year. He was a hitter, not just a home run hitter, the likes of which it’s unlikely we’ll ever see again. And BTW, that was during an era that sacrifice fly ball outs counted against batting average (he had six that year). I also agree with Shrapnel about the Babe. His ratio of home runs to at-bats is incredible. One thing about the Babe though, he played is a park that was designed for his swing. The right field corner was very short. In my opinion Ted Williams was the greatest hitter of the modern era. Don't forget that Williams played in Boston where the right field bleachers were a long ways from home plate. He would lead most hitting categories if not for his military service. Are you forgetting it is 302 ft down the right field line at Fenway and hitting the monster is an easy hit (think Wade Boggs)? Old Yankee Stadium (when Ruth played) had dead center at 490' and the alleys were 460 and 429 feet. Interesting take on HR's lost at old Yankee StadiumYes, in the very corner, but it got deep in a hurry. Babe was a dead pull hitter and the park was designed for his swing. Just like Williams wouldn't be able to hit .400 today because of changes in strategy- relief specialists instead of mop up, Babe would be facing specialists in later innings too and his ultra heavy bat would make him susceptible to off speed stuff.
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If Williams would have hit against the shift? Yes he would have hit away from the shift....he was that good
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