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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Also heard it translated out to “Coyote Vagina”. 🤣 suppose same general area.

Yep. I remember reading that somewhere, too, Bob.

Also read that he and Quanah Parker didn’t like each other at all.


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Old Chief Walking Erection, huh? He left the squaws with a smile on their face.

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Google has it that after the debacle at Adobe Walls Isa-Tai blamed a Cheyenne for having killed a skunk and breaking his bullet-proof medicine.

Whereupon the Cheyenne’s, PO’d, started calling him by the derogatory term “Coyote Vagina”.

Some things get lost in translation.


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"The Life of Billy Dixon has good account of Adobe Walls.
He was a Buffalo hunter with tools and know-how for sniping.


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Great thread!

Thanks Birdie and Kaywoodie and everyone else for their contributions. I’ve been quietly following along and I look forward to each installment. When I was a young boy every Sunday was family dinner day. After mom got done playing the organ and acting as choir director for 3+ services she’d get home around 12-12:30 and begin cooking for the 7 of us in my immediate family plus my 4 grandparents and usually a friend of mine. After dinner my dad’s dad would start talking history and I was enthralled. I’d sip my coffee (I was a lucky kid and I promise it did NOT stunt my growth) and listen intently, hanging on every word grandpa said. He was especially focused on the civil war but his ability at recall amazed me. Grandpa was educated at Rutgers and went to law school there as well so education was big for him as was being in the proper social circles. I still miss those hours and hours of grandpa chain smoking, talking history and drinking coffee. I absorbed more in those Sunday suppers than I learned all through high school. Those early years were so informative, I’ve been an avid history buff ever since.

Thanks to all that have contributed here. This thread has been a comforting reminder of wonderful days gone by….I can almost smell the leg of lamb and pork roast mixed with cigarette smoke and fresh coffee from the percolator (the good stuff for company).😁


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Originally Posted by poboy
"The Life of Billy Dixon has good account of Adobe Walls.
He was a Buffalo hunter with tools and know-how for sniping.

Another good read, too.


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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Google has it that after the debacle at Adobe Walls Isa-Tai blamed a Cheyenne for having killed a skunk and breaking his bullet-proof medicine.

Whereupon the Cheyenne’s, PO’d, started calling him by the derogatory term “Coyote Vagina”.

Some things get lost in translation.

Seems like I read somewhere that he and Quanah Parker were opposing factions once they were on the Rez, too.


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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
Google has it that after the debacle at Adobe Walls Isa-Tai blamed a Cheyenne for having killed a skunk and breaking his bullet-proof medicine.

Whereupon the Cheyenne’s, PO’d, started calling him by the derogatory term “Coyote Vagina”.

Some things get lost in translation.

Seemz there was a lot of dissension between the Cheyenne and Comanches before this battle. I believe the majority of the Cheyenne chiefs and all really wanted nothing to do with the affair. Isn’t that correct??? Been a long time since reading anything on it.


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One has to tread carefully when discussing Tribal events and politics, there’s the Indian version, and then again there’s the White guy version which may or may not match. Here’s a White guy version.

The gist is by the summer of 1874 the Comanches were in crisis. Those who wanted to try and move to the agency and those who wanted to fight, the latter camp including many young men.

Seeking spiritual mojo the radical camp put on their first-ever sun dance that year. After that opinions were divided where to go next. Quanah wanted to go against the remnants of the hated Tonkawa, he got outvoted.

So they went against the Buffalo Hunters at Adobe Walls and lost maybe 30 guys in that fight. the rest of the Indians, possibly up to hundreds, then fanned out and wreaked havoc elsewhere.

However they felt about each other before Adabe Walls, Quanah and Isa tai did become rival politicians later on the reservation.


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I was trying to remember what George Bent told in his later narrative. He was there or around area at least.


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Coyote considered bad luck and or trickster and the vagina considered a derogatory name for a male - that's hilarious.


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Still on Monday, August 10th, four days after the initial alarm. Gonzales.....

While he waited the return of Captain Caldwel Ben McCulloch assisted the Gonzalez citizens in raising another volunteer company. Captain James Bird was elected to command the 30 additional Gonzales volunteers. Among those now in his number were Ben McCulloch, and his brother Henry McCulloch.

Henry McCullough was five years younger than his older brother Ben, and was 24 years old at the time of these events. A few months prior to the raid Henry had confronted and shot the lethal Ruben Ross.

Henry would live to the ripe old age of 78 years old, in his later years becoming a much valued source on historical events in early Texas. A number of his letters on this topic survive but it may be significant that apparently none of all describe the circumstances of his killing of Ross.

It could be there were still Ross descendants/partisans around, or maybe he had just up and shot Ross outside of a duel setting, either way going up against the deadly outlaw leader was no small thing.

No surprise then....

As Captain Bird was gathering his volunteers, Henry McCullough set out to scout for the Comanches. He rode out to Big Hill, 14 miles east of Gonzales, to view the passing cavalcade. He saw them pass and noted Captain Tumlinson’s pursuit party still in tow. McCulloch then rode hard to alert his brother and Captain Bird.

It always struck me how much nerve it took to ride out fifteen miles by yourself towards a high prominence overlooking the route of possibly a thousand hostile Indians. I woulda figured there’d be Indians up there for the same reason.

The fact that there weren’t might indicate how careless and overconfident the Comanches had become.

Someday I shall have to go and locate this high hill. Not as easy to find today, the country was far more open back then, live oak prairie with strips of woodlands along the watercourses.

Just ten days later Henry McCulloch got married in Gonzales, a Kentucky girl, him and his wife had twelve kids, opened a mercantile business in Seguin.

He did remain exceptional on the Frontier, like his brother Ben noted for his skill at tracking, they both musta hung out with those same Choctaws in their youth.

1847, as a Ranger Captain, Henry McCulloch would establish a Ranger Station way up in Burnet County. Likely he was filling in for the likes of his brother and Jack Hays who at that time were down in Mexico for that war.

This Ranger Station was shortly taken over by the Feds and renamed Fort Croghan (??). 1847 that location was way out there, but by 1852 the place was already obsolete and abandoned, indicating just how fast Texas was settling up.

In his 40’s, as a Brigadier General for the Confederacy, Henry McCulloch commanded Texas cavalry both on the Texas Frontier, Arkansas and as far east as the Vicksburg campaign.

He’s surprisingly obscure in popular Texas history today, maybe we just had too many remarkable guys back then. One wishes he had written a book.


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Then there was the thing that happened on May 19 1836.

The Fall of Fort Parker,lots of folks died and some were never found after being hauled off by one indian band or another.

This is when the Parkers,Plummbers,Nixons Falulkenberrys Anglins and others lives were changed forever.

The Parkers are the wife's folks.

They were tough folks back then but sometimes they did not think things out very well.

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Then there was the thing that happened on May 19 1836.

The Fall of Fort Parker,lots of folks died and some were never found after being hauled off by one indian band or another.

This is when the Parkers,Plummbers,Nixons Falulkenberrys Anglins and others lives were changed forever.

The Parkers are the wife's folks.

They were tough folks back then but sometimes they did not think things out very well.

The massacre at Parker’s Fort was a typical example of Indian brutality, old Granny Parker in particular surviving being raped repeatedly while pinned to the ground by a lance.

I think I wrote earlier What’s not usually mentioned is that the fort was also a staging area for expeditions against the Indians and according to Moore the source of at least one attempt to infect the Indians with smallpox.

How much of that was known to what has been described as a mixed group of Comanche and Waco teenagers sacking the fort that day I dunno.


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"In his 40’s, as a Brigadier General for the Confederacy, Henry McCulloch commanded Texas cavalry both on the Texas Frontier, Arkansas and as far east as the Vicksburg campaign."

My gggrandfather John Franklin Guthrie jr. Served in “A” company (Captain Fry’s co) McCulloch’s Frontier Rifle Battalion. Enlisted at Webberville in April 1861. Seved til the following July’62.


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"This Ranger Station was shortly taken over by the Feds and renamed Fort Croghan (??). 1847 that location was way out there, but by 1852 the place was already obsolete and abandoned, indicating just how fast Texas was settling up."

Ft. Croghan is in Burnet county. Matter of fact just above Hamilton Creek in the current city of Burnet. When you drop by sometime we can go over there. Old reenacting bud is a docent there.


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
"This Ranger Station was shortly taken over by the Feds and renamed Fort Croghan (??). 1847 that location was way out there, but by 1852 the place was already obsolete and abandoned, indicating just how fast Texas was settling up."

Ft. Croghan is in Burnet county. Matter of fact just above Hamilton Creek in the current city of Burnet. When you drop by sometime we can go over there. Old reenacting bud is a docent there.

Durn it, I thought I wrote Burnet County, my fingers musta wrote otherwise. I corrected the original.


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
"This Ranger Station was shortly taken over by the Feds and renamed Fort Croghan (??). 1847 that location was way out there, but by 1852 the place was already obsolete and abandoned, indicating just how fast Texas was settling up."

Ft. Croghan is in Burnet county. Matter of fact just above Hamilton Creek in the current city of Burnet. When you drop by sometime we can go over there. Old reenacting bud is a docent there.

Durn it, I thought I wrote Burnet County, my fingers musta wrote otherwise. I corrected the original.

LOL! It’s ok. They right next to each other. Matter of fact back 115 acres here on the place is in Burnet co!


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Birdue& Woodie, can you guys shed some light on the Seminole Scouts? The reason I ask, is there's a cemetery in Fort Clark where a lot of them are buried, quite a few recipients of the MOH. We always get up a working party and clean up the graves.


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
"This Ranger Station was shortly taken over by the Feds and renamed Fort Croghan (??). 1847 that location was way out there, but by 1852 the place was already obsolete and abandoned, indicating just how fast Texas was settling up."

Ft. Croghan is in Burnet county. Matter of fact just above Hamilton Creek in the current city of Burnet. When you drop by sometime we can go over there. Old reenacting bud is a docent there.

I always stop in Burnet to get me a Storm’s Special Hamburger. Triple Meat, Triple Cheese, and large fries. 🤠


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