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Originally Posted by Valsdad
As ERK points out, unless one is hunting it's OK to wander around in the wilderness at will. So, any argument a guide is needed to cut down on the costs of rescuing lost hunters goes out the window. Hikers don't need a guide and they get lost frequently. Some even die before being located. Do berry pickers, birders, botanists, etc need a guide? Fishermen/women? Why only hunters????

Because hikers and birdwatchers ain't gonna pay big bucks for a guide.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Valsdad
As ERK points out, unless one is hunting it's OK to wander around in the wilderness at will. So, any argument a guide is needed to cut down on the costs of rescuing lost hunters goes out the window. Hikers don't need a guide and they get lost frequently. Some even die before being located. Do berry pickers, birders, botanists, etc need a guide? Fishermen/women? Why only hunters????

Because hikers and birdwatchers ain't gonna pay big bucks for a guide.

Yes, and also the influence the guide association has over the Game and Fish Dept and the State.

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Originally Posted by WYcoyote
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As ERK points out, unless one is hunting it's OK to wander around in the wilderness at will. So, any argument a guide is needed to cut down on the costs of rescuing lost hunters goes out the window. Hikers don't need a guide and they get lost frequently. Some even die before being located. Do berry pickers, birders, botanists, etc need a guide? Fishermen/women? Why only hunters????

Because hikers and birdwatchers ain't gonna pay big bucks for a guide.

Yes, and also the influence the guide association has over the Game and Fish Dept and the State.

Yep, I thought that was a given.



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Seems Wyoming has moved the Wilderness area lines further down the mountains than they were in the 80's. Bastards.


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I don't think they can do that on their own, wilderness designation is at the federal level.



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I am a strong proponent of PLBs or a subscription based satellite communication device. In the grand scheme of things they are not expensive. I imagine that there are many places our members hunt where a badly broken leg could spell big trouble. Those in bear country might find a need for them as well.

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WYcoyote: The article does not relay that the non-resident Hunter was "IN" a "wilderness area" it says that the non-resident Hunter was "in the area of the Cloud Peak Wilderness".
I agree whole heartedly with complying with all "laws".
And I have also suffered at the hands of "gub'mint" officials who have designated more and more of our public lands as "wilderness" and or "wilderness study areas" along with guides and outfitters influencing fish and game departments decisions and regulations!
I have Hunted Varmints "in the area of" the Cloud Peak Wilderness - thankfully a guide is NOT required to do that as yet.
The non-resident Hunter could very well be guilty of a game violation but I did not glean that from the posted article - is there more information available somewhere else?
And I often wonder how "gub'mint" policy/law makers can distinguish between a resident Hunter and a non-resident Hunter needing or not needing a paid professional/licensed guide???
But again I always "abide"!
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
He demonstrated 1 thing that many need to be aware of - electronics can fail. Carry and know how to use a compass and map.

SMH..

He changed locations. He never not lost.

He drove from his old camp in Big Horn County, to Sheridan County (they border each other), where a citizen located his vehicle, called it in and he was located afterwards.

His electronics went down and he didn't have a backup means of communication.

That has nothing to do with needing a map and compass. crazy


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Agreed. A lot of people don’t plan for contingencies or emergencies very well. A SPOT type PLB with rescue insurance at a minimum but I’d also rent a satellite phone for occasional check ins and emergency communications. Same as I do for saltwater and offshore fishing. I think the last satellite phone I rented for 2 weeks for a 10 day hunt and with the prepaid minutes, shipping, insurance, etc it was around $200. That’s extremely cheap insurance for all kinds of unforeseen issues. Having a wife and young children at home at the time I worried more about them than something happening to me and being able to put my mind at ease allowed me to enjoy the hunt more. Our flight service dropped us and a couple days later, while we were out in the bush, they crashed a Beaver across the inlet which seemed to scare the local flight services in the area. Two caribou hunters were waiting for their flight service to pick them up but after 4 days had passed since their pickup date and no plane they knew they were on their own. They were planning on having to hike out and said they figured 10 days to get back to civilization but when they saw us they spent a day hiking over to us. I loaned them my satellite phone and they got the confirmation that the flight service at Moose Pass fu.cked them over. They were told that the weather was too bad but in the past several days several planes came and went. The flight service got cold feet and were not very accommodating…very rude to them. I called my flight service and within a couple hours those guys got flown out. They were headed directly to Moose Pass to confront the ass holes that left them without concern even though they had paid for the round trip in full.

That simple lesson is enough for me to pony up another couple hundred for the piece of mind that a sat phone brings.


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Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
WYcoyote: The article does not relay that the non-resident Hunter was "IN" a "wilderness area" it says that the non-resident Hunter was "in the area of the Cloud Peak Wilderness".
VarmintGuy

You are rephrasing the article, look again.

It does not say "in the area of the Cloud Peak Wilderness"

It says "in the Cloud Peak Wilderness area".

Guides are required in Wyoming for non-residents in wilderness areas.

I am just taking what the author chose to write literally.

You can twist it out of context if you want, I don't really care.

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He coulda rented a SAT phone....

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Originally Posted by cisco1
He coulda rented a SAT phone....

The beyotch could have let him hunt.


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