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Exactly! Some here have a hard time grasping that.
But they have the picture posting down pat.

heck, we are talking minute of deer....

you aren't shooting a gopher to bring home to eat....

how tight of a group does someone need? if you are a decent shot, it should only take ONE bullet in the appropriate spot...

was does someone need a rifle that will shoot a " group" to bring down a deer?...

is it the rifle that is being questioned or the shooters ability to shoot the rifle accurately in the right place?

1 shot is all it ever takes..


Shooting groups tells you that you and your equipment are consistent. Not a damn thing wrong with shooting and focusing on keeping your skill honed. If you chose not to, that is on you.. Generally the guys whining and crying are the ones that can't quite muster making good shots on target.

I shoot 5000 plus rounds a year...

a hit or a miss out hunting, I have no illusions....

either one is on me...

too bad so many others blame a miss on the ammo, the gun, the weather

Truer words were never spoken. Sitting at a bench and making tiny groups is certainly a soul-satisfying pastime. I am devoted to it. But at the end of the day the guy who can take an unsupported position, or shoot off his hind legs and hit a target representative of a kill zone, every time, at a fair distance is the guy who'll impress me the most. My old bones are crapping out on me so I can't do that reliably anymore. In the woods I try to keep a tree handy to lean against, or use a hiking staff as a rifle support, otherwise a freehand shot beyond archery distance is catch-as-catch-can. But by God I can make bughole groups off the bench!

At our schutzen matches, score targets at 200 yards offhand (as well as group and score targets off the bench) are conducted. Some of these guys can slop 10 shots into 2" give or take at 200 yards, offhand. Makes a bench shooter yawn, but you try to do that sometime. That game, conducted with lead bullets loafing along at barely sonic speeds, will teach you stance/breathing/mind power/trigger control like nothing else will - marksmanship in other words.

98% of "hunters" could not hit a 12" pieplate at 200 yards standing on their hind feet.

Perhaps that's why we see so many ARs afield ---- "spray and pray"

Are you implying 98% of hunters are Quadrupeds ?

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Interesting how these threads go south isn’t it. Since no one answered the OP, here goes.

This brass started life as Norma Tactical 62 grain 556 shot through my AR. Military, hell no. 20 rounds was my initial test.
To answer Gnooah, yes Norma makes military brass. It called RUAG, which is the conglomerate that owns Norma, RWS and Gecco. I would imagine all 3 make the stuff and it’s just as rough looking as LC, full circle crimp.

Boring chit now

Case specs used.



First round I used 23.5 grs. LT32. GMM, REM 7 1/2 BR and CCI, 52 Speer match seated 2.206. First visited this load in 2013 specs were 23.5, RP brass and 7 1/2BR, Sierra 52 Match, seated 2.220.
Results 3212 avg. 79 ES and 30 SD.

Second round I used 23.8 grs LT32, GMM and CCI primers 52 Speer seated 2.206. Trimmed to 1.750 First visited in 2013 also. Velocity gained about 50 fps, but the ES and SD halved.

10 started out exact weight, length wasnt measured. 10 were random weights.

First up exact weight



Random



It’s good brass, very consistent. The 3 prong crimp is easily removed. The case capacity as measured isn’t but 1-1.5 grains different. Weight is all over but still stays in a 7 grain spread. I believe most of the weight is in the web to handle pressure. The capacities don’t show enough spread for anything else. No pressure signs or wonky readings even though 23.8 is book max. All loads reacted as expected.


So draw your own conclusions. I have pics of the groups, decent enough but don’t want to clutter the post with too much BS.

I've shoot some norma 223 match ammo a few years ago out of an AR. It was 77gr bullet,came in a black box. Shot very well for me. I don't think it had crimped primers then. I haven't reloaded that brass,but did keep it to do so.

Years ago I bought a bunch of Fed brass from the 'Brassman' in Vegas

Outta the box Savage 'M' series s/shot 24" SS tube liked it

had very good luck with this brass, have a chance to buy another bucket full

I just put a bullet hole in a target, and then when people ask, I tell them I hit the dime that was there, and I hit exactly where I shot!

( pretty crafty, huh? )