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Great shooting Sir Roo, and a really slick presentation on the Blaser R8 with redeeming social value.
For adults only.
I am happy for you but hope you don't have any ideas about grooming kindergarten kids toward Blasers
without first presenting the full curriculum and pedagogy for parental approval.
Live and let live, everybody has got to be crazy about something.
But !
You will never catch me grooming kindergartners into Blaser tendencies,
like they do at NAMBLA: North American Man Blaser Love Association.


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Speaking of gunporn, here is some straighter kink:

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.458 B&M+ load data is same as .458 WM+ load data as long as bullet seating depth is the same for both.
Might not be safe in a SAAMI .458 Lott.


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The CEB fantasy bullet is really kinky. laugh
Bear with me, do not bare with me.
Inspiration of the fantasy:

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No Blaser intruded on my fantasy:

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Ideally, bullet is going to be about 1.400″ long, 5 bearing bands of 0.458″ diameter, minor diameter 0.449″.
Accepts same Talon Tip as on the 300-gr ESP Raptor, for extra-long BOL.
That would satisfy my 400-gr bullet fetish for a little while.
Until then it takes two to tango: 400-gr CEB #13 and 404-gr Shock Hammer.
Someday, one stone for both birds.
One bullet for everything .458.
Not in the same sense as Deputy Barney Fife got to carry only one bullet in his shirt pocket, however.


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Sir Ron,

I would love to shoot that little lightweight you have there, right up my ally. Before trying it though, show us on the doll where the bad Blaser touched you. You're safe now.

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That last sentence should have been left untyped.



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Originally Posted by jwp475
That last sentence should have been left untyped.

I'm pretty sure Sir Ron can take a joke as well as make them.

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Originally Posted by SLGPT
Originally Posted by jwp475
That last sentence should have been left untyped.

I'm pretty sure Sir Ron can take a joke as well as make them.


Not much of a joke



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Originally Posted by jwp475
Originally Posted by SLGPT
Originally Posted by jwp475
That last sentence should have been left untyped.

I'm pretty sure Sir Ron can take a joke as well as make them.


Not much of a joke

Not much of a sense of humor on your end, it seems.

Sir Ron has been teasing about the Blaser for some time. This time he talked about "grooming." My response was exactly in line with his line of teasing. Do you really not understand this?

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Originally Posted by SLGPT
Originally Posted by jwp475
Originally Posted by SLGPT
Originally Posted by jwp475
That last sentence should have been left untyped.

I'm pretty sure Sir Ron can take a joke as well as make them.


Not much of a joke

Not much of a sense of humor on your end, it seems.

Sir Ron has been teasing about the Blaser for some time. This time he talked about "grooming." My response was exactly in line with his line of teasing. Do you really not understand this?


I understand that it ain't f'ing funny. Do you understand



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Now, now, funny is in the eye of the beholder, just like with a Blaser fetish.
Moving on to more serious business:

The ultimate bullet.
It doesn't have to be the ultimate penetrator or have the highest BC.
It just has to do any job at hand, by switching the direction of loading, forward or backwards in the cartridge case.
Another idea is just to stretch the 300-gr CEB ESP Raptor in length sufficient to make it 400 grains.
Done here by photo distortion only, it will obviously need some tweaking:

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Sir Ron,
Your exploration is tireless.
It will be interesting to see how the 400 gr CEB #13 pairs with the Hammer 404.
I am also looking forward to working with the 380 gr WFN Lehigh. I except this to become my primary bullet for limited visibility areas.
The 404 Hammer for more varied terrain. Both of these seem to be accurate in my Lott. Though with my loads, POI differences were pretty significant.

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Sir Ron,

I would love more info about that funny little rifle. Did SSK Industries do the work? I do love lightweight little rifles.

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Yes, SSK for B&M proprietary.
Yes, it is funny, in a good way.
I expect to do about 2300 fps with the 404gr
Shock Hammer from the ~17" barrel,
with same powder charge
that does about 2500 fps in a 24" .458 WM+.

That will make this .458 B&M+ give about same velocity at 200 yards as the .458 WM+ does at 300 yards.
+1900 fps impact for pretend 300-yard impact on Bambi at 200 yards.
The short-barrel handicap is about about 100 yards
for plains game.

For DG at spitting distance there is no handicap at all
if the 400-gr Brass FN can do 2300 fps MV
from the 17" barrel.
Now that's funny !
Yes, it is funny, in a good way.


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Here is the 2.990" COL for the 450-gr #13 (top), 400-gr #13 (middle),
and 3.220" COL for the 404-gr Shock Hammer (bottom) for the .458 B&M+:

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Those are equivalent to 3.250" and 3.480" COLs in the .458 WM+,
using R-P brass in the former and Hornady or W-W or R-P brass in the latter.

Here is my guesstimate on how the shortening of barrel to 16.875" will affect MV for .458 B7M+ or .458 WM+,
same same:

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Here is how the .458 B&M+ did in the Tupperware stock, when barrel was 19.75",
5 shots with 450-gr #13 at 50 yards, mean 5-yard velocity =2203 fps mean of 5 shots.
77.0 grains AA-2520, 3.015" COL, I pulled one:

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Same specifics for the 420-gr FB/HP "Raptor", for three shots only, I pulled third shot so quit there,
2223 fps mean of 5 shots, however,
Very close to same POI for the 450-grainer and 420-grainer using same powder charge:

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wondering if you load the 404gr Shock Hammer base forward will it act like a solid? asked Steve at Hammer bullets and he did not answer just said he would like to design a solid weighing 300-350 grains he thinks it might be better

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Originally Posted by HunterShooter58
HAHAHAHA!
Glad your laughing with us Sir Jerry. Yeah I agree with the 40-70 Sharps Straight, as Winchester and Remington, both used it occasionally in their Single Shot Rifles back then, more so than the 40-70 Bottleneck, from what I understand, but I wouldn't rule it out either. I especially am a fan of the Thick side receiver on the Browning vs. the Paneled receiver on the High Wall. Hence, their both nice Rifles and Desirable!


LOL, you bet Sir Tony, all good here, love all '85's, i have a very temperamental '74 40-90 Sharps bottleneck, i'll get back on it this winter after hunting season, if that drama queen doesn't line out i'll send it to JES and have him run a half inch drill bit through it, a half round half octagon 50-90 Sharps will be a very good thing and very easy to get along with, just like my other two.

404 Hammer/500 TBSS buffalo time is drawing near, i and the mighty 458 WM+ are more than ready for all comers out to 325+ yards.


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Here's some real fun with a 458. 2 round balls. perfect for home invasion. Shoots into 3" at 25 yards.

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Originally Posted by Hydehunter
wondering if you load the 404gr Shock Hammer base forward will it act like a solid? asked Steve at Hammer bullets and he did not answer just said he would like to design a solid weighing 300-350 grains he thinks it might be better
Too wide at meplat backwards and too perfect a bullet when
loaded properly ... 't'would be a shame.


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I could use some pointers on the .40-90 SBN.
Got one made by re-chambering a Pedersoli .40-65 WCF,
their 1874 Silhouette version, plain Jane heavy octagon.
Have not loaded ammo for it yet.
Paper patch or greaser, whatever Sir Jerry can get to work,
I'll try it.


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