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Does anyone know if Europe bought the extended warranty on the gas lines... after the thousands of phone calls from the Nigerian Prince?


If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.



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But the real point is that cutting those pipelines would be very easy for many actors and we may never know who were the real players.

Orcs?

That's my bet.

I appreciate that...

I was thinking it might have been a rototiller mishap.


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There are those far above rulers of nations, those that control the money flow around the world... The Financial Elites.

They have been talking of reduction of the world's population by 90%, for the last 4 decades or more.

and that can only be accomplished by a World War, beyond the destruction of the first two...

First started with a world wide plandemic... then start cutting off of energy... with the applause of plenty of these useful Idiots demanding "Green Energy".. or "we are all going to die as the others kill the planet with pollution"....

Anyone who has studied world history. should have no trouble or doubts about where all of this is heading...and what the ultimate outcome or goal is going to be. Watch as " the West" implodes upon itself.


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Originally Posted by Mannlicher
actually up until the war started, the US accommodated, was friendly toward, and did nothing to hinder the Nazis.

A few destroyers to the British and many tons of supplies and oil don't count?


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Europe is the big loser on the pipeline demo.

If dementia Joe's handlers ordered the demo of the pipeline, Europe can't be happy.

When people start freezing to death, and or can't eat, they will start storming the parliaments and stringing up their leaders.

I'm almost thinking Putin did it.

He doesn't have to do anything but watch Europe self destruct.

They are well on their way.

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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
There was no income and no future of income.
You keep saying that but it's a huge, gratuitous assumption that you can't make. Never is a long time.


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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Getting caught in the shallow Baltic Sea is very likely and those lines were not moving gas anyways.

In 70 meters of water the coning tower on a Seawolf is visible from the surface. Nuke subs can't hide in the Baltic.
More stupid assumptions. Did it occur to you that hiding wasn't necessary?


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More on that Tweet by the Polish Jew:

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/202...d-attacks-germany-and-blames-russia.html

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The Bornholm Blow-Up Repeats the Bornholm Bash — Poland Attacks Germany and Blames Russia
Posted on September 28, 2022 by Lambert Strether
Lambert here:

Helmer sheds some light on this extraordinary tweet by global thinker, Bullingdon Club member, AEI fellow, former Minister of Defense of Poland, and Blob spouse Radek Sikorski:


Thanks for what? Helmer explains.

By John Helmer, the longest continuously serving foreign correspondent in Russia, and the only western journalist to direct his own bureau independent of single national or commercial ties. Helmer has also been a professor of political science, and an advisor to government heads in Greece, the United States, and Asia. He is the first and only member of a US presidential administration (Jimmy Carter) to establish himself in Russia. Originally published at Dances with Bears

The military operation on Monday night which fired munitions to blow holes in the Nord Stream I and Nord Stream II pipelines on the Baltic Sea floor, near Bornholm Island, was executed by the Polish Navy and special forces.

It was aided by the Danish and Swedish military; planned and coordinated with US intelligence and technical support; and approved by the Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki.

The operation is a repeat of the Bornholm Bash operation of April 2021, which attempted to sabotage Russian vessels laying the gas pipes, but ended in ignominious retreat by the Polish forces. That was a direct attack on Russia. This time the attack is targeting the Germans, especially the business and union lobby and the East German voters, with a scheme to blame Moscow for the troubles they already have — and their troubles to come with winter.

Morawiecki is bluffing. “It is a very strange coincidence,” he has announced, “that on the same day that the Baltic Gas Pipeline opens, someone is most likely committing an act of sabotage. This shows what means the Russians can resort to in order to destabilize Europe. They are to blame for the very high gas prices”. The truth bubbling up from the seabed at Bornholm is the opposite of what Morawiecki says.

But the political value to Morawiecki, already running for the Polish election in eleven months’ time, is his government’s claim to have solved all of Poland’s needs for gas and electricity through the winter — when he knows that won’t come true.

Inaugurating the 21-year old Baltic Pipe project from the Norwegian and Danish gas networks, Morawiecki announced: “This gas pipeline is the end of the era of dependence on Russian gas. It is also a gas pipeline of security, sovereignty and freedom not only for Polish, but in the future, also for others…[Opposition Civic Platform leader Donald] Tusk’s government preferred Russian gas. They wanted to conclude a deal with the Russians even by 2045…thanks to the Baltic Pipe, extraction from Polish deposits, LNG supply from the USA and Qatar, as well as interconnection with its neighbours, Poland is now secured in terms of gas supplies.”

Civic Platform’s former defence and foreign minister Radek Sikorski also celebrated the Bornholm Blow-up. “As we say in Polish, a small thing, but so much joy”. “Thank you USA,” Sikorski added, diverting the credit for the operation, away from domestic rival Morawiecki to President Joseph Biden; he had publicly threatened to sabotage the line in February. Biden’s ambassador in Warsaw is also backing Sikorski’s Civic Platform party to replace Morawiecki next year.

The attack not only escalates the Polish election campaign. It also continues the Morawiecki government’s plan to attack Germany, first by reviving the reparations claim for the invasion and occupation of 1939-45; and second, by targeting alleged German complicity, corruption, and appeasement in the Russian scheme to rule Europe at Poland’s expense. .

“The appeasement policy towards Putin”, announced PISM, the official government think tank in Warsaw in June, “is part of an American attempt to free itself from its obligations of maintaining peace in Europe. The bargain is that Americans will allow Putin to finish building the Nord Stream 2 pipeline in exchange for Putin’s commitment not use it to blackmail Eastern Europe. Sounds convincing? Sounds like something you heard before? It’s not without reason that Winston Churchill commented on the American decision-making process: ‘Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.’ However, by pursuing such a policy now, the Biden administration takes even more responsibility for the security of Europe, including Ukraine, which is the stake for subsequent American mistakes.”

“Where does this place Poland? Almost 18 years ago the Federal Republic of Germany, our European ally, decided to prioritize its own business interests with Putin’s Russia over solidarity and cooperation with allies in Central Europe. It was a wrong decision to make and all Polish governments – regardless of political differences – communicated this clearly and forcefully to Berlin. But since Putin succeeded in corrupting the German elite and already decided to pay the price of infamy, ignoring the Polish objections was the only strategy Germany was left with.”

The explosions at Bornholm are the new Polish strike for war in Europe against Chancellor Olaf Scholz. So far the Chancellery in Berlin is silent, tellingly.

Follow on the map where the Bornholm Blow-up – three simultaneous bomb or torpedo explosions – was arranged.



The Nord Stream operating company posted first notice of the attack on its website on the evening of September 26. “Tonight [Swiss time] the dispatchers of the Nord Stream 1 control centre registered a pressure drop on both lines of the gas pipeline. The reasons are being investigated.”

The following morning the company added: “The significant pressure drop caused by the gas leak on both lines of the gas pipeline registered yesterday leads to a strong assumption of the pipeline physical damage. Nord Stream AG immediately informed the relevant coast guards about the incident. The positions of two assumed damages have been identified and are located north-east from Bornholm in Swedish and Danish EEZ, respectively. Currently the Swedish and Danish maritime authorities established a 5nm safety zone around the identified locations (Nautical information | Danish Maritime Authority (dma.dk)). Nord Stream AG has started mobilization of all necessary resources for a survey campaign to assess the damages in cooperation exchange with relevant local authorities. Currently, it is not possible to estimate a timeframe for restoring the gas transport infrastructure. The causes of the incident will be clarified as a result of the investigation.” The European sanctions regime blocked company officials from investigating at the site.

Russian satellite, aviation, and electronic monitoring of the area is comprehensive; Ukrainian double-agents corroborate. The Russian account of what happened is provided in this summary of open sources by Gazeta.ru. The military preparations in the days and hours before the blasts have not been disclosed, yet.

“The operator company Nord Stream said that at the same time destruction was recorded on three lines of the offshore gas pipelines Nord Stream and Nord Stream–2. ‘The destruction that occurred in one day simultaneously on three lines of offshore gas pipelines of the Nord Stream system is unprecedented. It is impossible to estimate the time frame for restoring the operability of the gas transportation infrastructure,’ the operator of Nord Stream noted.”

“The Kremlin is concerned about the situation. ‘This is very disturbing news. We are talking about some kind of destruction in the pipe of an unclear nature in the Danish economic zone,’ said Dmitry Peskov, press secretary of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The Kremlin spokesman stressed that the pressure in the gas pipelines had dropped significantly: ‘This is a completely unprecedented situation that requires urgent investigation.’ Peskov noted that the nature of the destruction is unknown. Sabotage is not excluded. ‘No option can be ruled out now. Obviously, there is some kind of destruction of the pipe. And what was the reason – before the results of the research appear, it is impossible to exclude any option,’ Putin’s press secretary added.”

“The opinion that the destruction occurred because of someone’s ‘ill will’ was expressed earlier by the deputy head of the National Energy Security Fund Alexei Grivach. ‘If a leak on one line could still be an accident, the consequence of a defect or an involuntary impact, then on three [lines] it is clearly someone’s ill will. Well, who is fighting with Russian gas in Europe is not really hiding,’ RIA Novosti quotes him as saying. Grivach believes that it will take months to repair the gas pipeline lines. ‘The representative of the operator company Ulrich Lissek drew attention to the fact that it is difficult to determine the causes of the pressure drop due to ‘the sanctions regime and the lack of personnel on the ground.’ On the night of September 26, a leak occurred on one of the lines of the Nord Stream-2 pipeline. According to the representative of Nord Stream 2 AG, Ulrich Lissek, ‘in some place’ along the pipeline, ‘most likely a hole has appeared.’ He said that in normal mode, the pressure inside the gas pipeline lines ‘is 105 bar“, but on the German segment it has decreased to 7 bar. The Danish Maritime Administration has discovered damage to a gas pipeline near the island of Bornholm. Presumably, the alleged point of emergency is located in the exclusive economic zone – just beyond the border of the territorial waters of Denmark. The leak was located at the position of 54 °52.60′ north latitude— 015 ° 24.60′ east longitude, writes RBK.”


For RBK’s coverage, including surface filming by the Danes of gas bubbling above the pipeline holes, click.

This is what the government in Warsaw arranged at Bornholm a year and five months ago. At that time Morawiecki was prime minister; the German chancellor was Angela Merkel. The official Warsaw innuendo in Merkel’s direction was more restrained than it is now against Scholz.


Left: Angela Merkel; right, Mateusz Morawiecki. Source: http://johnhelmer.net/

Then the Polish spokesman for the security and intelligence services, Stanislaw Żaryn, launched a stream of accusations on his Twitter account. According to Zaryn, Russian public disclosure of the Baltic engagements was “information warfare” intended as a “pretext for launching activities aimed at enhancing its military presence in the Baltic region”. He went on: “#NordStream2 may be used by #Russia as a pretext for the deployment of its naval forces along pipeline’s route. This may lead to a partial closure of the Baltic Sea.”

Now Zaryn’s innuendo is plainer. What Zaryn means to say is that Germany “jeopardizes the security of Poland”.


Western propaganda media have tried to create the appearance of German government approval for the Polish attack.

“Denmark, Germany and Poland warn of ‘sabotage’ after Nord Stream leaks”, the Financial Times, the Japanese platform in London, headlined: “Berlin says Russia’s involvement cannot be excluded after damage to gas pipelines at centre of Europe’s energy crisis.” Scholz and his ministers were not quoted. Instead, low-ranking, anonymous “German officials said there was concern in Berlin that the sudden loss of pressure in both pipelines could be the result of a ‘targeted attack’. They added that Russia’s involvement could ‘not be excluded’, but said Germany was not involved in the investigation being run by Denmark and Sweden.”

In Washington, the local newspaper claimed “European leaders blame Russian ‘sabotage’ after Nord Stream explosions”, quoting Danes, Swedes, Poles, Ukrainians, Secretary of State Antony Blinken, and “five European officials with direct knowledge of security discussions [who] said there was a widespread assumption that Russia was behind the incident. Only Russia had the motivation, the submersible equipment and the capability, several of them said.” Not a single German government official could be found to speak by the newspaper’s Berlin bureau.

The temptation for Morawiecki to break out of the political stalemate he and his Law and Justice (PiS) party have been in since June has also been driven by fear that, following the fresh Russian reinforcements, the Ukrainian battlefield will move west and south; Ukrainian electric light and heat will be cut off; and millions of fresh refugees will attempt to cross into Poland again.

Tracking polls for Polish voter intentions illustrate the flat lines for the two leading parties, and the potential growth of the left and right minority parties. On September 1, the PiS party leader launched the Polish reparations attack on Germany, declaring “we have also taken the decision as to the further steps…We will turn to Germany to open negotiations on the reparations.” The move didn’t shift the party’s poll rating. The Bornholm Blow-up was already in planning for three weeks later.


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The possibility of Germany and Europe lifting the sanctions and continuing to receive Russian energy is now off the table.

Who benefits?

Not Russia.

Not Europe.

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I just wonder if this escalation will result in the destruction of American pipelines?

It's damn near impossible to defend the full length of a pipeline. In Central America & Africa, the natives punch holes in them regularly.


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Putin needs to take out The Baltic Pipe.

All’s far in love and war.


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Johnny bails on thread for a couple of hours yesterday.

Does google fu ( world at his fingertips)
Makes notes..
Got a nice prepared route to go on the spin and deflect game.
Comes back as scuba steve...
Out of the blue all super experienced and schit.....
0 mention of it ever before until this thread and him having to scramble for some CYA on it.
The lengths a liar will go... to not be wrong in their mind.
No one believes your bullschitt on here Johnny....
What a fuuuking tangled web of lies compounded by alcohol induced thinking you are spinning...
He couldn't have made all that schitt up off the top of his head...

Priceless......


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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
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If they already shut off the flows, what’s up with all the bubbles?

Static pressure on the lines.

Nord 2 went from over 100 bar to 7 bar. That's a lot of gas in a line that long.
Umm, water pressure relative is 10 bars at 100 meters...7 bars in the pipe...which way does the water flow?


Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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Originally Posted by Bristoe
The possibility of Germany and Europe lifting the sanctions and continuing to receive Russian energy is now off the table.

Who benefits?

Not Russia.

Not Europe.

The (((Jews)))?

But of course. Fuggin' Rothschilds. /s


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I still want a citation from Burns lol

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If you want to explain our preoccupation with the region and Russia when China and the pacific should be much more important if we are going to countenance imperial ambitions, you might need to look at the makeup of our government.

The Attorney General, the Treasury Secretary, the SOS, his immediate deputy, and the fourth in line at State who is the point on all this in Ukraine all have something in common. It’s really quite remarkable that in a government as large as ours and in a country as diverse as ours, people with this one thing in common could rise to such a concentration of influential positions.

Not only to they have all that in common, their commonality can be traced back directly to the region in conflict in Europe today. It seems memories of wrongs done to grandma and grandpa are taking precedence over everything else.

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I predict the loss of a Russian sub in the near future.

super knowledgeable. Weren't you the same brave man who stayed home 2 years during the deadly covid? lol

A prediction is not knowledge…and no, the pandemic had little effect on my daily activities.

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Originally Posted by Middlefork_Miner
I predict the loss of a Russian sub in the near future.


Why would the Russians sabotage their leverage with Europe? That makes absolutely no sense.

I know such questions prompt accusations of “Putin loving” from certain intelligentsia here n the fire so I’ll point to it what ought to be obvious but still needs saying… A nation can be lead by a despot who we dislike greatly without also being hopelessly stupid.

I think Tucker’s theory might be more valid:




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Brennan says it was Russia, now we know for certain that Russia DID NOT sabotage their own pipeline.


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