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The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet.

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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Baiting deer is perfectly legal in a lot of places.
So is aborting/killing full term human babies.

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
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Baiting deer is perfectly legal in a lot of places.
So is aborting/killing full term human babies.
Whoa.... Maybe not the best analogy.
Baiting often is a tool for population management. I've never done it. Dang you know how to make friends.


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I fully support the shooting of any and all dogs.


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Originally Posted by deflave
I fully support the shooting of any and all dogs.


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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet.
Planting crops for the purpose of attracting/holding deer on a property for deer season and calling it habitat improvement is a stretch at least here. What determines carrying capacity and survival come winter is available browse. Opening the forest canopy for increased browse production is far more beneficial than planting crops that are covered with 2 feet of snow and nutritionally worthless to deer come January.

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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet.
Planting crops for the purpose of attracting/holding deer on a property for deer season and calling it habitat improvement is a stretch at least here. What determines carrying capacity and survival come winter is available browse. Opening the forest canopy for increased browse production is far more beneficial than planting crops that are covered with 2 feet of snow and nutritionally worthless to deer come January.

This is correct.... winter range determines deer numbers in places with a real winter. Supplemental crops will only result in more starving deer


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Originally Posted by Whttail_in_MT
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I fully support the shooting of any and all dogs.


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You should look this husky shooter up.

She’s kinda stout.


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet.
Planting crops for the purpose of attracting/holding deer on a property for deer season and calling it habitat improvement is a stretch at least here. What determines carrying capacity and survival come winter is available browse. Opening the forest canopy for increased browse production is far more beneficial than planting crops that are covered with 2 feet of snow and nutritionally worthless to deer come January.

Two feet of snow on the ground where Hastings lives?

You have a vivid imagination.



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Well, if it wasn’t for deer feeders here 30 years of off and on drought combined with habitat loss would have killed off all the deer around here. In the past 50 years I watched the the quality of deer herd here improve exponentially. It’s a bit unbelievable how its improved.


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They would have died off Bob?


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Well, if it wasn’t for deer feeders here 30 years of off and on drought combined with habitat loss would have killed off all the deer around here. In the past 50 years I watched the the quality of deer herd here improve exponentially. It’s a bit unbelievable how its improved.

Sounds like their basically livestock………

Cue the haterade from tx lol


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
They would have died off Bob?


Quite possibly. When I was a kid here on the place if you saw 5 bucks with branched antlers you were damn lucky. I have over a dozen nice animals showing up on cameras now. No telling how many others out there I’m missing.

Mom said deer had all been cleaned out during the depression where she was raised kinda next county NE of here. She didn’t see a deer in the wild until after WWII.

Since end of July to date, we’ve had about an inch of rain. Before that we hadn’t had any rain since middle of May. All seven of the tanks on the place here been dry all summer.


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Met a guy at a safari club convention that was a Texas deer breeder.... so yep like livestock.
In the mountain west that schit don't work


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Originally Posted by RUM7
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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Baiting deer is perfectly legal in a lot of places.
So is aborting/killing full term human babies.
Whoa.... Maybe not the best analogy.
Baiting often is a tool for population management. I've never done it. Dang you know how to make friends.
The point is that maybe legality isn't always the yardstick to point to in determining ethics. Population control would be far less of a problem if there weren't landowners intentionally fostering population beyond the natural carrying capacity of the land by feeding and limiting hunter access. In fact, state game managers here will tell you their biggest obstacle to proper herd management is limited access to hunters on private land.

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There’s a lot of that stuff does go on. Im too poor to do that kinda stuff. BTW, Jim we are down to 9 grown head of stock.


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
Well, if it wasn’t for deer feeders here 30 years of off and on drought combined with habitat loss would have killed off all the deer around here. In the past 50 years I watched the the quality of deer herd here improve exponentially. It’s a bit unbelievable how its improved.
What happens to all those deer when the people feeding them die or stop for whatever reason ? Is keeping the population unnaturally high to benefit of the deer or is it to benefit of the hunters/landowners. What you have there is livestock.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet.
Planting crops for the purpose of attracting/holding deer on a property for deer season and calling it habitat improvement is a stretch at least here. What determines carrying capacity and survival come winter is available browse. Opening the forest canopy for increased browse production is far more beneficial than planting crops that are covered with 2 feet of snow and nutritionally worthless to deer come January.

Two feet of snow on the ground where Hastings lives?

You have a vivid imagination.
I said "here" you fuucking useless hippie moron.

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Population is not unnaturally high. We, as well as other ranchers are simply trying to maintain a healthy population. We do work with game management as well as habitat management. 125 years of land mismanagement takes time to mend. Thats what we are doing now.


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Have their round haunches gored."

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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
There’s a lot of that stuff does go on. Im too poor to do that kinda stuff. BTW, Jim we are down to 9 grown head of stock.


It's been bad here too.


We get no rain....but it still gets 40 below!


I don't know how the deer are surviving. They are lighter by quite a bit.

Very few twins.

I couldn't believe they bred this year!


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