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There’s a lot of that stuff does go on. Im too poor to do that kinda stuff. BTW, Jim we are down to 9 grown head of stock. It's been bad here too. We get no rain....but it still gets 40 below! I don't know how the deer are surviving. They are lighter by quite a bit. Very few twins. I couldn't believe they bred this year! Pûssy is a powerful motivator across all species
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There’s a lot of that stuff does go on. Im too poor to do that kinda stuff. BTW, Jim we are down to 9 grown head of stock. It's been bad here too. We get no rain....but it still gets 40 below! I don't know how the deer are surviving. They are lighter by quite a bit. Very few twins. I couldn't believe they bred this year! Jim. I understand. We had a new well drilled about 2 weeks ago. First one on the place since about 1938. Old well will be strictly for stock. We could use one more on the back 250 acres
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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Population is not unnaturally high. If population isn't unnaturally high there's no need to feed.
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Once you start feeding, you cannot stop.....
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet. Planting crops for the purpose of attracting/holding deer on a property for deer season and calling it habitat improvement is a stretch at least here. What determines carrying capacity and survival come winter is available browse. Opening the forest canopy for increased browse production is far more beneficial than planting crops that are covered with 2 feet of snow and nutritionally worthless to deer come January. Two feet of snow on the ground where Hastings lives? You have a vivid imagination. We often don't get a frost until November. Get a little snow every now and then. Melts off quick. Winter wheat, turnips, rye, oats, and clover provide food all winter. We also planted over 20 acres of nut bearing trees 1/4 of which are sawtooth oak that some years produce bountiful acorn crops that fall in September. We don't ever kill over 1 to 3 deer a year and lots of hogs. Mainly we like to see deer and feed various wildlife. Don't like hogs or killer canines at all.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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Population is not unnaturally high. We, as well as other ranchers are simply trying to maintain a healthy population. We do work with game management as well as habitat management. 125 years of land mismanagement takes time to mend. Thats what we are doing now. Nailed it !
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston
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Baiting deer is perfectly legal in a lot of places. So is aborting/killing full term human babies. Whoa.... Maybe not the best analogy. Baiting often is a tool for population management. I've never done it. Dang you know how to make friends. The point is that maybe legality isn't always the yardstick to point to in determining ethics. Population control would be far less of a problem if there weren't landowners intentionally fostering population beyond the natural carrying capacity of the land by feeding and limiting hunter access. In fact, state game managers here will tell you their biggest obstacle to proper herd management is limited access to hunters on private land. That's a good point in theory, but you are wrong. It's your New York wildlife management agency that's the problem Blackheart. Doe tags need to be issued over the counter to the hunters. Instead of some dumbass doe draw on October 1st and then maybe hunters can get some leftover doe tags for a certain zone or some shiet. New York has some screwed up game and gun laws.
Life is good live it while you can.
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The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet. Planting crops for the purpose of attracting/holding deer on a property for deer season and calling it habitat improvement is a stretch at least here. What determines carrying capacity and survival come winter is available browse. Opening the forest canopy for increased browse production is far more beneficial than planting crops that are covered with 2 feet of snow and nutritionally worthless to deer come January. Two feet of snow on the ground where Hastings lives? You have a vivid imagination. We often don't get a frost until November. Get a little snow every now and then. Melts off quick. Winter wheat, turnips, rye, oats, and clover provide food all winter. We also planted over 20 acres of nut bearing trees 1/4 of which are sawtooth oak that some years produce bountiful acorn crops that fall in September. We don't ever kill over 1 to 3 deer a year and lots of hogs. Mainly we like to see deer and feed various wildlife. Don't like hogs or killer canines at all. Sounds like a nice little shooting zoo you have created
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet. Planting crops for the purpose of attracting/holding deer on a property for deer season and calling it habitat improvement is a stretch at least here. What determines carrying capacity and survival come winter is available browse. Opening the forest canopy for increased browse production is far more beneficial than planting crops that are covered with 2 feet of snow and nutritionally worthless to deer come January. Two feet of snow on the ground where Hastings lives? You have a vivid imagination. I said "here" you fuucking useless hippie moron. LOL, while you were admonishing a guy from Louisiana. No one gives a shìt about "here" dipschit
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Once you start feeding, you cannot stop..... I do
Founder
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"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet. Planting crops for the purpose of attracting/holding deer on a property for deer season and calling it habitat improvement is a stretch at least here. What determines carrying capacity and survival come winter is available browse. Opening the forest canopy for increased browse production is far more beneficial than planting crops that are covered with 2 feet of snow and nutritionally worthless to deer come January. Two feet of snow on the ground where Hastings lives? You have a vivid imagination. We often don't get a frost until November. Get a little snow every now and then. Melts off quick. Winter wheat, turnips, rye, oats, and clover provide food all winter. We also planted over 20 acres of nut bearing trees 1/4 of which are sawtooth oak that some years produce bountiful acorn crops that fall in September. We don't ever kill over 1 to 3 deer a year and lots of hogs. Mainly we like to see deer and feed various wildlife. Don't like hogs or killer canines at all. Sounds like a nice little shooting zoo you have created You're almost as parochial as blackheart. Almost.
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Once you start feeding, you cannot stop..... I do Democrats will hate you... 
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet. Planting crops for the purpose of attracting/holding deer on a property for deer season and calling it habitat improvement is a stretch at least here. What determines carrying capacity and survival come winter is available browse. Opening the forest canopy for increased browse production is far more beneficial than planting crops that are covered with 2 feet of snow and nutritionally worthless to deer come January. Two feet of snow on the ground where Hastings lives? You have a vivid imagination. We often don't get a frost until November. Get a little snow every now and then. Melts off quick. Winter wheat, turnips, rye, oats, and clover provide food all winter. We also planted over 20 acres of nut bearing trees 1/4 of which are sawtooth oak that some years produce bountiful acorn crops that fall in September. We don't ever kill over 1 to 3 deer a year and lots of hogs. Mainly we like to see deer and feed various wildlife. Don't like hogs or killer canines at all. Sounds like a nice little shooting zoo you have created You're almost as parochial as blackheart. Almost. I will not deny that.... I love the wild west...
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Once you start feeding, you cannot stop..... I do Democrats will hate you... I certainly hope so, my friend! 😊
Founder
Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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Baiting deer is perfectly legal in a lot of places. So is aborting/killing full term human babies. Whoa.... Maybe not the best analogy. Baiting often is a tool for population management. I've never done it. Dang you know how to make friends. The point is that maybe legality isn't always the yardstick to point to in determining ethics. Population control would be far less of a problem if there weren't landowners intentionally fostering population beyond the natural carrying capacity of the land by feeding and limiting hunter access. In fact, state game managers here will tell you their biggest obstacle to proper herd management is limited access to hunters on private land. That's a good point in theory, but you are wrong. It's your New York wildlife management agency that's the problem Blackheart. Doe tags need to be issued over the counter to the hunters. Instead of some dumbass doe draw on October 1st and then maybe hunters can get some leftover doe tags for a certain zone or some shiet. New York has some screwed up game and gun laws. We do have second draws for leftover doe tags. I got two leftovers last year and had 6 total for the season plus my antlerless and either sex archery tags and of course my rifle buck tag.. My lifelong best friend was chairman of the NYS conservation council for many years. Through him I got to know exactly what goes on here within DEC and the obstacles they face. I am not wrong.
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If I had enough land and money to grow feed for deer.... I would and I would shoot them... and I would have a shooting zoo.... Instead I chose to be poor and live in the mountains.... and chase wild deer, elk, antelope, sheep, bear etc..... 
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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If I had enough land and money to grow feed for deer.... I would and I would shoot them... and I would have a shooting zoo.... Instead I chose to be poor and live in the mountains.... and chase wild deer, elk, antelope, sheep, bear etc..... Im going to see if Jim will sell me a tag for next years beef. Think my 22-250 would work with the ttsx’s?
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The suggestion that habit improvements are somehow unethical is likely the dumbest damned thing ever typed on the internet. Planting crops for the purpose of attracting/holding deer on a property for deer season and calling it habitat improvement is a stretch at least here. What determines carrying capacity and survival come winter is available browse. Opening the forest canopy for increased browse production is far more beneficial than planting crops that are covered with 2 feet of snow and nutritionally worthless to deer come January. Two feet of snow on the ground where Hastings lives? You have a vivid imagination. I said "here" you fuucking useless hippie moron. LOL, while you were admonishing a guy from Louisiana. No one gives a shìt about "here" dipschit Off to ignore along with Barnard and for the same reason you stupid bastard. You're always so eager to pounce in a desperate and futile attempt to prove you're semi intelligent and not a total retard that your reading comprehension is that of an 8 year old and you aren't worth my time.
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If I had enough land and money to grow feed for deer.... I would and I would shoot them... and I would have a shooting zoo.... Instead I chose to be poor and live in the mountains.... and chase wild deer, elk, antelope, sheep, bear etc..... Your choice. Others choose to live elsewhere. If you have acreage in the south or east and can plant things like nut trees or annuals to attract and have more wildlife on your property, why wouldn't you?
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