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I knew a guy once. Big-ass Eskimo, 6'3, 220# , bully, and all-round douche. He beat the chit out of a nice old guy, 2/3 his size, also an Eskimo. When Lazzarus came back for round 2, Gus shot him once with that little (Freedom Arms? ).22 Derringer. That little .22 bounced around awhile inside the rib cage, getting several vital organs- Lazzie made it about 30 yards out the door. No, he didn't come back from the dead. Good riddance too. Gus had to leave the village for awhile for his own safety. All asswholes have relatives who think the a-hole (once he's dead) was the finest kind ever... . Just the way of the village factions and rivalries. See it with the blacks too. White trash just seem to shrug it off.... I've a couple .22 semi-auto handguns. As a defensive weapon, I would choose hollow points and plan on using all 10. If you can't shoot 'em with something big, shoot 'em lots....  I'd prefer my Python, tho I find it rather clumsy. Hey, for the $150 I paid for it, I'll deal with it. Probably should buy a Glock.....
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I’ve never liked .40 S&W. It’s always seemed like neither fish or fowl to me. 9x19mm and 45 ACP both have a ton of history behind them. The .40 was a watered down 10mm FBI special with no history that just sort of split the difference. Obviously there’s nothing wrong with it. I’ve just never really liked it. I tend to agree with that. I have .45's and 9's, no .40's. With the latest and best ammo, the old 9mm sorta wakes up and isn't a bad defensive round. Sure beats a sharp stick. DF
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It’s not the gun so much as the shooter that matters.
I think the 9mm is a pussy cartridge. 😁 Haha! Maybe....but you wouldn't stand in front of Jerry M if he was armed with one! Who is Jerry M? Why not stand in front of him? I sat in front of a lot of dinks shooting at me with AKs and hardly bled. They use pussy ammo too.
I am..........disturbed.
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It’s not the gun so much as the shooter that matters.
I think the 9mm is a pussy cartridge. 😁 Haha! Maybe....but you wouldn't stand in front of Jerry M if he was armed with one! Who is Jerry M? Why not stand in front of him? I sat in front of a lot of dinks shooting at me with AKs and hardly bled. They use pussy ammo too. Maybe it was the Indian and not the arrow? I can’t imagine anyone walking away much less talking garbage after a center mass shot from 7.62x39.
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9mm will.
10mm will better.
Too bad they don't make an 11mm.
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I wouldn't want to use the crescent wrench version, long handled or short. That's just not much steel to work with. I guess a 9mm socket on an adapter for at least a 1/2" drive ratchet wrench might be ok.
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In my LE career I’ve carried both the 40 and 9, mainly the 40 as it was the issue weapon. I’ve never felt any advantage carrying the 40 over the 9.
I’ve seen a ton of bad guys made good by the 9mm.
Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming.
Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.
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It’s not the gun so much as the shooter that matters.
I think the 9mm is a pussy cartridge. 😁 Haha! Maybe....but you wouldn't stand in front of Jerry M if he was armed with one! Who is Jerry M? Why not stand in front of him? I sat in front of a lot of dinks shooting at me with AKs and hardly bled. They use pussy ammo too. They’re talking about Jerry Miculek, DD. Exhibition and Competitive Shooter that pretty much had all the records for revolver shooting.
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Rather have a 9mm than a sharp stick!
Rather have my .40 than a 9mm!
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Very entertaining thread for a Friday evening.
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9mm will.
10mm will better.
Too bad they don't make an 11mm. 10mm is hard to beat in a auto loader.
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9mm will.
10mm will better.
Too bad they don't make an 11mm. They do, if you round to the nearest whole mm. .45 Auto (11.43×23mm) Bruce
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9mm will.
10mm will better.
Too bad they don't make an 11mm. They do, if you round to the nearest whole mm. .45 Auto (11.43×23mm) Bruce Yep.
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I distinctly remember reading the famous Cooper quote when he was asked about the 9x19 on a 1911 frame he said" You would be better off to save your money to have your testosterone level checked". Ol Mike it will work fine for you but you need to distract them first by asking if they want chips N dip.... mb chipsNdips, honey hand me another,, 9bangbangbang pepsi, Ahh love this barca lounger
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What you carry on the street is one thing, combat is another.
Seems maybe Col Cooper had grunts hand humping the cases of 45 for him.
When you have to hump enough ammo to sustain a fight you get a healthy respect for the 9 or 5.56
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What you carry on the street is one thing, combat is another.
Seems maybe Col Cooper had grunts hand humping the cases of 45 for him.
When you have to hump enough ammo to sustain a fight you get a healthy respect for the 9 or 5.56 22mag.?
PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!
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The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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Get some! I wish I'd had his job. I'd prolly still be working.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Wonder what Travon thinks about a 9mm being enough
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Not according to Jeff Cooper. You need at least a .40 in his opinion, and a .45 is best. A friend says 40 is a minimum, calls a 9mm a cupcake round. Only Boomers working on dated information disregard the 9mm as a defensive round. Bullet engineering has come a long ways in the last 30 years.
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