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Did the Marines defend Fort McHenry in 1812? I did the restoration of that fortification 25 odd years ago... I had ALWAYS been told by the historians (back then) "Yes the Marines were the defenders." But I cannot find any modern reference to match this knowledge. Backstory... I am selling my Stafford home to a young Marine Captain and his wife. I plan to gift them an item gifted to me. https://www.gallon.com/shop/other-wars/war-of-1812/the-flag-is-full-of-stars-limited-edition-prints/I know what NPS.GOV now says in their briefing. BUT it is 2022... and NPS history is often bent. i.e. Abe Lincoln was a racist and George Washington was a white supremacist et al. The NPS is huge on woke history. I worked on McHenry for 2 years... the defenders in 1812 were often called Marines by the NPS Historians back then... much like the Continental Marines of November 10, 1775 were formed to defend our very few vessels and raise general hell with the Brits and Hessians. I am only trying to be accurate... Thanks for solid intel if anyone has any
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I've found no evidence of USMC at McHenry. There is some easy confusion due to the existence of the "U.S. Sea Fencibles" which were odd units with the Commanding Officers reporting to the Army, presumably Gen George Armistead who commanded McHenry, but the troops were paid for by the Navy. Pretty interesting article about them @ http://civilwarthosesurnames.blogspot.com/2009/01/united-states-corps-sea-fencibles-1813.html. There were two Companies of them there during the battle - one commanded by Capt. Matthew S. Bunbury and one commanded by Capt. William H. Addison The Marines mostly fought in the Battle of Bladensburg where they, pretty much alone, performed well. Even then they were only 103 Marines, along with 300 sailors from the Chesapeake Flotilla commanded by Commodore Joshua Barney. There were only 1200 USMC at the time so nearly 10% of the force isn't small contribution.
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Well according to Wiki, yes. The Hampstead Hill defense, under Commodore John Rodgers. That was more defending Baltimore than Fort McHenry if I got the original question right. Those fortifications were about 6 miles from Fort McHenry.
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Well according to Wiki, yes. The Hampstead Hill defense, under Commodore John Rodgers. That was more defending Baltimore than Fort McHenry if I got the original question right. Those fortifications were about 6 miles from Fort McHenry. Ahh, got it. They were involved in the battle but were not in Fort McHenry.
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Battle of Bladensburg is where the US Marines and Navy Bluejackets did their duty!!! Without ammo for the guns they were manning counter attacked with bayonet and pike while the rest of the American forces were participating in a rout from the battlefield.
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My uncle is the Associate Dean of Academics at the Marine Corps University. He has a PH.D. in history. His focus is on US History with emphasis on the Colonial/Revolutionary period and 19th century westward expansion.
I sent him a message. We should know the “answer” shortly. Let me know if there were any other questions or details, and I will ask.
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My uncle is the Associate Dean of Academics at the Marine Corps University. He has a PH.D. In history. His focus is on US History with emphasis on the Colonial/Revolutionary period and 19th century westward expansion.
I sent him a message. We should know the “answer” shortly. Let me know if there were any other questions or details, and I will ask. Thanks Matt... and everybody... I just want the gift and backstory to be honest. Also received a 38 page white paper from a Marine friend outside of 24HC... about a hour ago. "Marines are mentioned often but only on page 33 do we find "The Marines, sailors, soldiers and militiamen watched in awe as the rockets soared and the bombs burst over the fort." No unit designation is mentioned." I will share that white paper by email with anyone interested... and here if I can figure out how to post a 38 page PDF.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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"The Marines, sailors, soldiers and militiamen watched in awe as the rockets soared and the bombs burst over the fort." The Marines at Hamstead would certainly been able to see those shells in flight and the impacts. That area is about 100' above sea level with McHenry at sea level about 6 miles away and with clear air you can see 12 miles from that elevation.
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I never heard of Marines defending the Fort itself.
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