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Why would I want to be a meat hunter when I raise prime angus beef? The only exceptions are: 1) I donate 2 doe to the DNR sponsored food pantry. 2) My wife and her mother can the meat of a doe and donate it to the church bazaar every year. After that it is big animals and horns, son.

The monster whitetails you and your crew kill during rifle season completely befuddles me. In my experience the only way that happens is if you control a large contiguous tract of land, out here that'd be 1,500+ acres with a 50/50 mix of timber to crop land, and have almost no hunting pressure prior to the rifle season.

Don't get me wrong, I always look forward to your deer season tales, so whatever you're doing, keep up the great work!

100% of the members would agree with me that our success on nice size bucks has a lot to due with the deer drive. We drive private big timber and small woodlots, public river islands, public land. We drive places that many hunters would not hunt, for example open prairie restoration or CRP ground.

In addition, if towards the end of the season there are some small acreage standing corn fields, we will drive them. Our drives may consist of little as three hunters or as many as 20-25 hunters


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Never really thought about it before, but I guess I'm a hybrid of some sort. I cull 20-25 whitetail does every year on a couple of friend's MLD ground. If I want some wild game for the freezer, I'll kill a couple of axis does every year to year and a half. Besides that I look for the biggest bucks I can find, both whitetail and mule deer, and if I don't find one big enough I'm not too worried about it.


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I don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't have a negative impact on me. As a land owner in a State without a lot of public land, I heartily dislike trespasser and will press charges against them every chance I get. I cut down 4 tree stands that trespassers put up on our ground just last week. I cut 'em down, drag 'em out to the nearest county road, cut 'em up with a sawzall, and leave them in a pile for the scrappers to pick up. The guys putting up these stands know that they're trespassing and by their actions show that they just don't care.

We've had poaching problems on the plot I hunt the past several years, too. Put up some cameras, but the sneaky azzholes never have gotten themselves or vehicles clearly into frame. In a state where less than 2% of the total acreage is publicly huntable it's sort of inevitable, but still frustrating as hell. Even moreso because there aren't all that many deer around this area to begin with.

I know a couple years ago they had to have knocked off every deer out there before season. We found a pile of half butchered carcasses with the buck's heads chopped off about 250 yards from my stand in October. Pretty sure they were night shooting them from the nearest road from the way the car tracks looked. It's wide open enough they'd be seen out there during the daytime from the farmyard. Didn't see diddly that entire firearm or ML season.

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I never worry about the other guy or
methods as long as he follows the rules
and regs. I do expect the same consideration
from others. I kill whatever I want with
whatever I want while following the rules
and regs.
I stay on my side of the fence and I expect
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I don't think about it. I hunt because it's so much of my DNA. Sometimes I wait for bigger stuff, sometimes I don't. I like everything about hunting, including skinning and butchering. I love eating wild, hoofed animals and I want venison in the freezer.

Does wanting venison in the freezer and eating it far more than beef make me a meat hunter?

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Originally Posted by Dave_Spn
I don't think about it. I hunt because it's so much of my DNA. Sometimes I wait for bigger stuff, sometimes I don't. I like everything about hunting, including skinning and butchering. I love eating wild, hoofed animals and I want venison in the freezer.

Does wanting venison in the freezer and eating it far more than beef make me a meat hunter?

Butchering your own game is the best isn't it Dave_Spn?

I have been butchering all of my animals for over 30 years, I love doing it, to me it's part of the hunt and I take pride in saying that every aspect of what is on our plate is Top Notch. I get to relive my hunts while I do it and I take special care of all of my meat, while I process and trim it myself.

I can't even imaging handing it over to a butcher to do it for me. The thought of my meat being mixed in with somebody else's poorly shot or handled incorrectly in the field animal makes me shudder! Not to mention the thousands of $$$$ I have saved by doing it myself, instead of hiring a butcher.

When I do a moose, I buy a 24 case of beer and watch the NFL while I process it with a friend, and it's all done perfectly that day to my exact standards and specifications for free.

It does not get better than that :o)

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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Contrary to what some say or believe, IMO, there really isn’t some type of bad feelings between these two types of hunters.

While they are ideologically different in what they each want in an animal. A meat hunter would almost certainly dump a 190 buck or 360 bull in a heart beat, if given the chance. The ‘chance’ is where our Meat Hunter tires hitting the road are different than a Head Hunters tires.

As Meat Hunters, we usually don’t give ourselves much of a chance, we’ll typically shoot the first legal animal we see, to a degree.

Head Hunters, at least for the largest part of the season are holding out for a predetermined size they want to kill ~ Anything under that size, get’s a pass. All bets are off the last day or two of their hunt. Some might take something smaller, some might not.

What is different between these two types of hunters, that I have seen, is the amount of preparation, self education, and time in the field during the off season Head Hunters spend to identify, study, and follow animals they have targeted to hunt.

They are constantly looking, consumed by maps, overlays of food/water sources, terrain, elevation, and accessible public land…It’s like they have a terminal illness. I think a more accurate description is an addiction. An addiction in pursuit of something special, and the reward in the end for the effort put into hunting the animal.

I for one, admire them for it. Especially, the Head Hunter who’s doing it on public land. (I’m not slamming a hunter who owns bookoo acreage that holds and produces animals with massive head gear) I may hate your ass, but that’s coming from a case of deep jealousy. Many of you actually hunt hard for those bigger animals.

For the many, as Meat Hunters, we don’t spend as much time preparing a hunt as a Head Hunter does, and we shouldn’t feel lesser for taking a legal animal for it’s food over it’s rack size. I can’t believe the amount of excuses we’ll make (I already made one) for shooting a forked horn (Western Antler Math being used) or a spike bull. Like a fork or a spike doesn’t rate as a worthwhile critter.

Here’s my feelings on the matter, as a Meat Hunter. If you can consistently get yourself, family or friends on legal animals each year to shoot. You’re a Rock-Star!

I have no idea what the percentage is for successful hunters versus unsuccessful hunters. But, I imagine the higher percentage would be for hunters unsuccessfully filing a tag. If you’re making meat or hanging horns on a wall, consistently. You are way ahead in the game of hunting.

In closing, to me, Head Hunters, you are the A team in desire and effort. It’s exciting and enjoyable to read about your hunts, knowing the hard work that you put into getting it done.

Meat Hunters, that continue to fill freezers for yourselves and family, hold your heads high, and shoot them Forky’s and Spikes with extreme prejudice.


Elk season starts for me Nov. 12th. As of this moment, we have a date with a nice spike bull. But I’d rather shoot a 7x7.

Good hunting to all!

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Good post Beav.

When I'm meat hunting, and I know the odds, the first legal critter I see is in eminent danger. When I am hunting with the expectation of big antler, big horns, etc, I'll shoot the first critter that meets my expectations. I do both, and have always done both.

As I have become older I take a lot of pleasure in hunting old haunts and familiar territory, and the effort I put in to originally discovering those places pays dividends. I hunt both OTC licenses and limited licenses, and my approach can differ, but not a whole lot.

Full disclosure: I'm a 30 minute drive from one of the better elk units in Colorado, and my parents live in that unit at 9200ft for five+ months out of the year with public land on two sides. I can walk out the back door of the cabin and see big mature bulls on public land within a 15 minute walk--happened twice this late summer/early fall. It is also a limited deer unit and I saw the biggest buck I've seen in 5-6 years on one of the same hikes. But a guy has to draw a license first.........


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Originally Posted by roundoak
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Why would I want to be a meat hunter when I raise prime angus beef? The only exceptions are: 1) I donate 2 doe to the DNR sponsored food pantry. 2) My wife and her mother can the meat of a doe and donate it to the church bazaar every year. After that it is big animals and horns, son.

The monster whitetails you and your crew kill during rifle season completely befuddles me. In my experience the only way that happens is if you control a large contiguous tract of land, out here that'd be 1,500+ acres with a 50/50 mix of timber to crop land, and have almost no hunting pressure prior to the rifle season.

Don't get me wrong, I always look forward to your deer season tales, so whatever you're doing, keep up the great work!

100% of the members would agree with me that our success on nice size bucks has a lot to due with the deer drive. We drive private big timber and small woodlots, public river islands, public land. We drive places that many hunters would not hunt, for example open prairie restoration or CRP ground.

In addition, if towards the end of the season there are some small acreage standing corn fields, we will drive them. Our drives may consist of little as three hunters or as many as 20-25 hunters


That's the other way it gets done during rifle season. We used to do lots of drives in PA, but the demographics at deer camp changed (the older guys got older and we don't have enough free wheeling younger guys ready to replace them. LOL For some reason I assumed the topography of your driftless area wouldn't be conducive to drives, but now that I think about it, it's probably just the opposite. Thanks for the skinny and keep at it!


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Beav, I don't know what camp it fits into but, I ain't pulling the trigger unless it's bigger than the one I shot last time or 20x closer to the truck.

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MAC, try cutting your sausage with Beef Fat instead of Pig. Beef fat does not go rancid and change the flavor of the sausage after being in the freezer for a few months. I will guarantee you that you will be happy you did :o)

Cheers ~

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Originally Posted by kingston
Beav, I don't know what camp it fits into but, I ain't pulling the trigger unless it's bigger than the one I shot last time or 20x closer to the truck.

😂

That falls into the ‘Good Plan’ camp.

But, we’ll see…

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As I have become older I take a lot of pleasure in hunting old haunts and familiar territory, and the effort I put in to originally discovering those places pays dividends. I hunt both OTC licenses and limited licenses, and my approach can differ, but not a whole lot.

Casey, I agree.

Age has had an impact on my hunting. Along with added responsibilities during the off season, which is a huge time suck for me.

But, that’s also just another excuse. There wasn’t too many things that could keep me out of the woods 20 years ago before hunting season.

Technology is helpful with OnX for me. No more driving aimlessly around looking for new logging roads, hoping they lead to good cuts.

Idk, I still usually find something to shoot. No real complaints, other than for some reason, these last several years, I do bitch and whine more about packing meat out. Laffin.

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Beav, I don't know what camp it fits into but, I ain't pulling the trigger unless it's bigger than the one I shot last time or 20x closer to the truck.

😂

That falls into the ‘Good Plan’ camp.

But, we’ll see…

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Originally Posted by kingston
Beav, I don't know what camp it fits into but, I ain't pulling the trigger unless it's bigger than the one I shot last time or 20x closer to the truck.

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Kingston there was some guy that said everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. That’s what Rosie hunting feels like. 😉

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As far as “poacher”, is it? Says who? Folks have fed their families since the beginning of time with meat.guess it depends how you were raised and where. As for me, if a guy killed a critter and ate it, I’d never turn him in or call him a poacher. 👍

In theory that sounds reasonable. But theres a big problem with that i cant overlook. Theres folks out here that dont buy deer tags but shoot deer every year on their property, claiming poverty and the need to put food on the table. And yes theyre poor people. The problem with that though, is these poor people who apparently cant afford the deer tag, and therefore also dont worry about seasons, somehow always have a cigarette hanging out of their mouths and a bottle of whiskey close at hand. The amount of money they spend on smokes and booze, they could choke their family on beef. So [bleep] them. If i see them, catch them in the act, bet your ass ill squeal.

So you a meat hunter.... lol


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Originally Posted by kingston
Beav, I don't know what camp it fits into but, I ain't pulling the trigger unless it's bigger than the one I shot last time or 20x closer to the truck.

😂

That falls into the ‘Good Plan’ camp.

But, we’ll see…

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Do we have to pay you, or were you thinking about us doing some bartering?

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I’m both!

I spend my available archery hunting time looking to stick a decent buck, so I’m a head hunter. Then I hunt in NY for bucks only(no non res doe tags)and will only shoot a decent buck there. Head hunter again. Then I hunt here at home carrying a revolver with my daughter and try to get her a shot on a buck(or a doe if she chooses.) Then towards the end of season, I’ll lean towards a meat hunter and start toting a rifle and look to drop a freezer queen, especially if neither of us have scored yet. It’s not life or death if I don’t shoot one, and the pride and joy of my daughter scoring on a deer is what keeps me passing up on smaller bucks and doe. To each their own, I fault no hunter for their legally harvesting any size buck or doe. I know alot of hunters in the area I hunt in NY will shoot a spike buck with 4” long spikes(3” or longer is legal). I say congrats! I’ll let em walk by every single time. Don’t make me a hero, or them villians, just a matter of need or choice. Happy Hunting! 😎

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