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I've just purchased my first .223 rifle. 1-8" twist, heavy barrel. I'd like to use it for targets, ground squirrels, and coyote shooting. I need to buy some bullets for it.

I shoot three .222 rifles and a .22 hornet but assume the little 40 grain Nosler BT & Hornady VMax bullets that I have on hand for those rifles are likely not a good match for the new .223's fast twist and higher velocity. What bullet do you recommend as a good all around choice for my new rifle?

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EXACTLY what rifle is it? The 75 ELD is THE pick of the litter,in a 8" RPM 223,that has the COAL to accept same. Hint.

I'm in the process of loading a few hunnert of same,for a 20" S/S NIB CTR,ala Lapooey Virgins,400's,Lever' and magfed Smooches. Such things tend to arrange 2950fps MV,which don't suck and they do a rather nice job of greedily holding onto same,while fending atmospherics. Hint.............


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Sako M85 Varmint HB/fluted. I should also mention I'd like to minimize wind drift, wind is constant challenge around here.

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Was looking at the S/S version of same the other day,popped the mag out,measured it and you are schit out of fhuqking luck. They are Krunchenticker trite(shorter even than ASC's) and a Goat Fhuqk,so an easy pass,with no way to get out of it...despite the receiver length. The 75 ELD is no joy there. Hint.

They REALLY dropped the ball,on what could have been a sound platform. It takes RPM,COAL and Throat Geometry to connect dots by default. Shame. Hint................


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A couple/few quick words on Mechanics and why they(RPM/COAL/Throat Geometry) control all. Hint.

Teeker S/S 20" 8" RPM 223 CTR here,if only fhuqking obviously. 75 ELD magfed Smooches(square) and there's room to chase lands,in issued OEM guise at 2.520"(this throat being longer than most). A beloved ASC,for comparison. Hint.

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The Sucko 85's 8" 223 magbox I measured,was well shy of ASC COAL,as cited prior and pictured here. Though they are my FAVORITE Krunchenticker mag going,due their greater COAL than all others. Hint.

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Flipside,being a ASC max COAL,in the 8" CTR's OEM magbox. Hint.

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Mechanics ain't subjective and it never don't not pay dividends,to look before you leap. Hint.

Just sayin' and food for thunking.................


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I never had the desired accuracy results shooting the 75 grain tipped bullets, but the Hornady 75gr BTHP shoot well at about 3000 fps. In both 1:8 and 1:9 twists for me. The Hornady 68's at 3100 are same. Both buck the wind very well, but the edge goes to the 75's. I don't have semi-custom rigs with aftermarket barrels, and frankly, I don't need them for my purposes. Certainly, if mag confines are an issue, the 75 BTHP is a fine choice.


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KchuntShoot,

The AMAZINGLY long list of simplistic things you can't do,never ceases to AMAZE. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............


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Don't dog pile me, but the 77 TMK is pretty good if you're stuck with AR mag confines. It kills like crazy but isn't the slickest out there. It is good enough for me to blast steel, deer, coyotes and whatever else I happen to wanna shoot. I stick with it since it all gets loaded on a Dillon and the only think I need to change is the charge weight from the AR to the CTR.


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My Dillon would jump off the fhuqking bench,were I to treat it i sucha manner! Hint.(grin)

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I cain't start pole vaulting .200"+ to the lands and shop in accordance,because NOTHING matters more than mechanics. Hint...............


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Your 40's should work in a pinch. Worse case they may spin apart before hitting the target with the thinner vmax's having the most potential but I think they will be just fine. You aren't running them out of a 22-250 or creedmoor. They aren't the most ideal but I bet you get a little more action on living targets with them than before.

Your mag length isn't ideal as Stick pointed out but it isn't the end of the world. You might be able to tweak the magazine like some have done with Tikkas either filing out the front for more lateral room or if there is a spacer in the rear you can remove you might be in luck there. Otherwise you are stuck single loading or going with AR mag friendly rounds which there are a decent amount to choose from.

I would consider the Hornday 75 BHTP, or the 73 ELD or as mentioned the 77 TMK from Sierra. If you can get the RMR 69 grain or their new 75 grain which is similar to Horn's BTHP that would be a great economical option. I think Nosler has a 77 grain bullet to fit the AR mag confines as well.

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
My Dillon would jump off the fhuqking bench,were I to treat it i sucha manner! Hint.(grin)

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I cain't start pole vaulting .200"+ to the lands and shop in accordance,because NOTHING matters more than mechanics. Hint...............

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
KchuntShoot,

The AMAZINGLY long list of simplistic things you can't do,never ceases to AMAZE. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............
I AM amazing. My wife and kids think so too. Hint. It's called "priorities." Hint hint. And I can do all the killing and such with the shiit guns I shoot. Wearing shiit optics. Shooting shiit bullets. [bleep] amazing. Hint hint hint.


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Big Stick, perhaps I should ask you to type slower because I don't read very fast. I can't make sense of your posts. Perhaps my feeble comprehension skills and lack of worldly experience way out here in the "land of the little sticks" is a handicap. I can't make sense of your use of abbreviations, colloquialisms, and references to firearms I have no experience with or interest in. I'd like some clear advice, not "hints", profanity, and obscure references thanks.

Huntnshoot, Beretzs, and Partagas, thanks that was helpful. I'm not sure what "AR mag confines" means, but I expect my Sako doesn't accept bullets seated much longer than SAAMI spec max. length of 2.26" since the magazine has an internal dimension of 2.290"

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castnblast,

"AR mag confines" usually means you cannot load longer than 2.260" unless you use something like ASC stainless magazines which allow a bit longer COL's. It makes a difference when loading the longer, sleeker bullets several guys have recommended. All of that doesn't apply to your rifle.

Don't assume the 40's you have on hand won't work in the 1-8 .223, the ones you've mentioned are plenty tough enough for vermin and normal target shooting. Don't believe the old caution about "overstabilization", it may have been real in the days of poor bullets, but these days it just ain't so.

If you want to shoot larger game and/or long range targets, the heavier bullets others have mentioned are certainly better.


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The Baby CTR seems to do OK,with 75 ELD's,at their 2.520" square Smooch...if only minutes ago. Hint.

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Just sayin'..................


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Yeah, that don't suck a bit.

One of the best deals going on a 223 these days in my book. A pile of capability in that rig.


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Bumped windage two tenth's,capped it,then set zero stop for it's 225yd zero. Shot come-ups to 1110yds,all jived nicely and I'll hand it and a few hunnert rounds of same to a visiting pard. Hint.

Then I'll show him the GOOD stuff. Hint.(grin)

Building Drop Chart now,as Whining Canucks Google madly! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Bumped windage two tenth's,capped it,then set zero stop for it's 225yd zero. Shot come-ups to 1110yds,all jived nicely and I'll hand it and a few hunnert rounds of same to a visiting pard. Hint.

Then I'll show him the GOOD stuff. Hint.(grin)

Building Drop Chart now,as Whining Canucks Google madly! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

It is a blast. I would dare say it is one of my best fun guns. Next to a 22, grabbing handfuls of 5.56 and jamming mags has to make you smile or you're dead below the eyebrows.


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It's everything the Sucko ain't. Hint................(grin)


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
The Baby CTR seems to do OK,with 75 ELD's,at their 2.520" square Smooch...if only minutes ago. Hint.

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Just sayin'..................
I'm curious as to exactly what yellow marker you use on those ammo boxes there.

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