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Good to hear about the RL26. For years I have loaded RL19 with a 180 Accubond at 2800fps. Very accurate. What is the effect of cold on RL26? THank you
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2935 fps
59.5kpsi per QL and no pressure signs Yeah, I don’t know if I could bring myself to knowingly torch off one at that speed. Prolly flinch pretty good if I did. I worked up very slowly from 57 gr. Spent a lot of time in the 62-63 gr range before getting comfortable to go to 63.5gr. That extra 1/2 grain gave more consistent ES and shrunk the group size. Otherwise I would have stopped at 63gr around 2910 fps. 63.5gr packs a wallop in a 7# gun, and is just 20 fps off 300WM factory loads with that bullet. I didn’t mean I would be worrying about recoil. I’d be flinching because I’d be half expecting my gun to blow up every shot. If you’re good with it, by all means, proceed. I would just want to see some actual pressure-tested data before I pushed a bullet that fast in an ‘06 case instead of QL.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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2900+fps with a 180 grain bullet is impressive in a 30-06. I’ve used RL22 mostly for 180’s for years but if I run across some RL26 I’ll definitely give it a try.
ETA- I looked over Alliant’s web page data for this powder and it looks promising in several rounds I load for. 25-06, 7mm Rem mag, 300 Win and Weatherby. They don’t show anything for the ‘06 buy I’ll likely give it a go.
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If you can find the stuff, it'll give you very good velocities---maybe the highest in some cases...but accuracy can be another thing all together. Sometimes it's there and sometimes it ain't.
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I use lapua brass. Primer pockets are tight after 2nd loading and no signs of visual pressure signs.
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Wow. QuickLOAD shows a pressure still under 60 kpsi for a 180 Partition pushed to 2935 fps with Re26---not that I take that as gospel by any means. Reassuring nonetheless. Just to clarify. I was using a Accubond. The bearing surface is likely a little less than in a 180 Partition, due to the boat tail. My 180 Partition load only went 2920 fps. I’d have to look up the charge, but I’m pretty sure it was <63 gr. Also these sort of velocities are only available with “hotter” lots of RL-26. Seems like the pre-2020 lots packed a little more “umpf”, where the 2 newer lots I tried required 1-1.5 gr more to achieve the same velocity. In those lots I ran out of case capacity.
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I didn’t mean I would be worrying about recoil. I’d be flinching because I’d be half expecting my gun to blow up every shot.
If you’re good with it, by all means, proceed.
I would just want to see some actual pressure-tested data before I pushed a bullet that fast in an ‘06 case instead of QL. I fully understood. I was very cautious with this load. Everything was done very meticulously. I shot almost 70 rounds to get there, all over a chrono. Consistent velocities, nothing out of the ordinary ever, etc. Some brass up to 4X. In fact the velocity gain with increased powder as you start getting compressed starts to slow down with RL26. I’ve seen that in 270 Win and 6.5CM as well. I also worked up a load with 165s and RL17 in this gun, and hit pressure at 58gr (by accident) - so I knew what to look for. QL was just another data point that seemed to agree with all the other physical signs of not getting too aggressive (bolt lift, primer pockets, case head expansion, etc). These are all dedicated to this gun only, and clearly marked “do not shoot over 60F”. All of my testing was done at 35-55F. The other reason I feel comfortable, is I don’t think running up to 63-65k is an issue with a modern 30-06. So even more safety factor, even if QL is a bit off.
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Wow. QuickLOAD shows a pressure still under 60 kpsi for a 180 Partition pushed to 2935 fps with Re26---not that I take that as gospel by any means. Reassuring nonetheless. Just to clarify. I was using a Accubond. The bearing surface is likely a little less than in a 180 Partition, due to the boat tail. My 180 Partition load only went 2920 fps. I’d have to look up the charge, but I’m pretty sure it was <63 gr. Also these sort of velocities are only available with “hotter” lots of RL-26. Seems like the pre-2020 lots packed a little more “umpf”, where the 2 newer lots I tried required 1-1.5 gr more to achieve the same velocity. In those lots I ran out of case capacity. Gotcha. Somehow I morphed it into a Partition as I read the thread. I don't have a thing against the Accubond. The times I've used it and put it where it's supposed to go it worked very well (6.5 140-grain). I just happen to be very well stocked with 180 Partitions for the '06, and they have worked perfectly every time. SPS has 180 ABs right now for cheap...but they're "C grade," whatever that means (broken and missing polymer tips, maybe?). I might try em if I needed them.
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I tried Reloader 26 with 168gr bullets in one of my 30-06's and wasn't overly impressed.I saw a posting where the person was having great results with it using 180gr bullets.I decided what the heck I'd give it a try with the heavier bullets.This is where it shines.I had my 28" Pacnor barreled 30-06 when I did my test loads.Just for thrills I loaded some 200gr Accubonds too.I loaded up Winchester cases,WLRM primers,180 Accubonds,with 63.5grs of Reloader 26.I clocked that load at 2992fps.I haven't tweaked this load any,this is my test load target and it is not bad,so I left everything as is.I tried the Reloader26 @ 63.5grs with 180gr Nosler Ballistic Tips in two of 30-06's.Both rifles grouped this load about 3/4".My 23" barreled rifle ran it at 2890fps and my 24" barreled rifle was 2882fps.Looks like a good solid 180gr load.The 200gr Accubond test load was Winchester case,WLRM primer,61.0grs Reloader 26 out of my 28" Pacnor barreled 30-06.This load clocked 2815fps on my Magnetospeed.So yes,Reloader 26 is certainly a great powder in the 30-06 for the heavier bullet weights. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/Y0CVHbyV/180-r26.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/26wJMPTh/30-06-200gr-AB-R-26.jpg)
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There's a reason it's called Magic Pixie Dust:
rtridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler BalTip 30180
Useable Case Capaci: 58.803 grain H2O = 3.818 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.794% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-07.9 100 58.00 2606 2715 40486 9988 96.8 1.364
-07.1 100 58.50 2633 2771 41719 10070 97.2 1.345
-06.3 101 59.00 2660 2828 42993 10147 97.6 1.326
-05.6 102 59.50 2687 2886 44320 10221 97.9 1.307
-04.8 103 60.00 2714 2944 45693 10290 98.3 1.288
-04.0 104 60.50 2741 3003 47117 10354 98.6 1.270
-03.2 105 61.00 2768 3063 48594 10413 98.8 1.252
-02.4 106 61.50 2795 3123 50127 10468 99.1 1.235
-01.6 106 62.00 2822 3184 51720 10517 99.3 1.217 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 107 62.50 2849 3245 53373 10562 99.5 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 63.00 2876 3307 55091 10601 99.6 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 109 63.50 2903 3369 56876 10635 99.8 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
+01.6 110 64.00 2930 3431 58734 10663 99.9 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+02.4 111 64.50 2957 3495 60667 10686 99.9 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.2 112 65.00 2984 3558 62679 10703 100.0 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 112 65.50 3010 3622 64774 10715 100.0 1.101 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 108 63.00 2932 3436 59144 10448 100.0 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 108 63.00 2813 3163 51296 10664 98.6 1.220 ! Near Maximum !
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There's a reason it's called Magic Pixie Dust:
rtridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler BalTip 30180
Useable Case Capaci: 58.803 grain H2O = 3.818 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.794% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-07.9 100 58.00 2606 2715 40486 9988 96.8 1.364
-07.1 100 58.50 2633 2771 41719 10070 97.2 1.345
-06.3 101 59.00 2660 2828 42993 10147 97.6 1.326
-05.6 102 59.50 2687 2886 44320 10221 97.9 1.307
-04.8 103 60.00 2714 2944 45693 10290 98.3 1.288
-04.0 104 60.50 2741 3003 47117 10354 98.6 1.270
-03.2 105 61.00 2768 3063 48594 10413 98.8 1.252
-02.4 106 61.50 2795 3123 50127 10468 99.1 1.235
-01.6 106 62.00 2822 3184 51720 10517 99.3 1.217 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 107 62.50 2849 3245 53373 10562 99.5 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 63.00 2876 3307 55091 10601 99.6 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 109 63.50 2903 3369 56876 10635 99.8 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
+01.6 110 64.00 2930 3431 58734 10663 99.9 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+02.4 111 64.50 2957 3495 60667 10686 99.9 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.2 112 65.00 2984 3558 62679 10703 100.0 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 112 65.50 3010 3622 64774 10715 100.0 1.101 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 108 63.00 2932 3436 59144 10448 100.0 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 108 63.00 2813 3163 51296 10664 98.6 1.220 ! Near Maximum !
It amazes me how close Quickload data is when you plug in all the specific data.So,you really about run out of case room with this powder before your pressure gets too high.I feel quite comfortable shooting 63.5grs.Would you mind running it with a 200gr Accubond?I've only tried one load,61.0grs
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There's a reason it's called Magic Pixie Dust:
rtridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler BalTip 30180
Useable Case Capaci: 58.803 grain H2O = 3.818 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.794% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-07.9 100 58.00 2606 2715 40486 9988 96.8 1.364
-07.1 100 58.50 2633 2771 41719 10070 97.2 1.345
-06.3 101 59.00 2660 2828 42993 10147 97.6 1.326
-05.6 102 59.50 2687 2886 44320 10221 97.9 1.307
-04.8 103 60.00 2714 2944 45693 10290 98.3 1.288
-04.0 104 60.50 2741 3003 47117 10354 98.6 1.270
-03.2 105 61.00 2768 3063 48594 10413 98.8 1.252
-02.4 106 61.50 2795 3123 50127 10468 99.1 1.235
-01.6 106 62.00 2822 3184 51720 10517 99.3 1.217 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 107 62.50 2849 3245 53373 10562 99.5 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 63.00 2876 3307 55091 10601 99.6 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 109 63.50 2903 3369 56876 10635 99.8 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
+01.6 110 64.00 2930 3431 58734 10663 99.9 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+02.4 111 64.50 2957 3495 60667 10686 99.9 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.2 112 65.00 2984 3558 62679 10703 100.0 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 112 65.50 3010 3622 64774 10715 100.0 1.101 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 108 63.00 2932 3436 59144 10448 100.0 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 108 63.00 2813 3163 51296 10664 98.6 1.220 ! Near Maximum !
It amazes me how close Quickload data is when you plug in all the specific data.So,you really about run out of case room with this powder before your pressure gets too high.I feel quite comfortable shooting 63.5grs.Would you mind running it with a 200gr Accubond?I've only tried one load,61.0grs Depending on the powder I've compressed stuff to 110 and maybe a bit more. The 180's a long bullet so there's a lot of it to ram down into the powder. Here's what the 200gr AB looks like
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 200, Nosler AccuBond 54618
Useable Case Capaci: 56.350 grain H2O = 3.659 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.833% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-08.3 98 55.00 2486 2744 40934 9639 98.0 1.422
-07.5 99 55.50 2512 2802 42231 9711 98.3 1.401
-06.7 100 56.00 2538 2861 43578 9778 98.6 1.381
-05.8 101 56.50 2564 2920 44976 9841 98.9 1.361
-05.0 102 57.00 2590 2980 46427 9899 99.1 1.341
-04.2 103 57.50 2616 3040 47933 9952 99.4 1.321
-03.3 104 58.00 2642 3101 49498 10000 99.5 1.302
-02.5 105 58.50 2668 3162 51125 10043 99.7 1.283 ! Near Maximum !
-01.7 106 59.00 2694 3224 52815 10080 99.8 1.264 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 107 59.50 2720 3286 54573 10113 99.9 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 60.00 2746 3349 56403 10139 100.0 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 108 60.50 2772 3412 58308 10160 100.0 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
+01.7 109 61.00 2797 3475 60286 10176 100.0 1.192 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.5 110 61.50 2823 3539 62357 10190 100.0 1.175 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.3 111 62.00 2849 3604 64510 10204 100.0 1.157 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.2 112 62.50 2874 3669 66756 10216 100.0 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 60.00 2795 3468 60608 9951 100.0 1.192 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 60.00 2690 3215 52471 10268 99.4 1.266 ! Near Maximum !
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There's a reason it's called Magic Pixie Dust:
rtridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler BalTip 30180
Useable Case Capaci: 58.803 grain H2O = 3.818 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.794% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-07.9 100 58.00 2606 2715 40486 9988 96.8 1.364
-07.1 100 58.50 2633 2771 41719 10070 97.2 1.345
-06.3 101 59.00 2660 2828 42993 10147 97.6 1.326
-05.6 102 59.50 2687 2886 44320 10221 97.9 1.307
-04.8 103 60.00 2714 2944 45693 10290 98.3 1.288
-04.0 104 60.50 2741 3003 47117 10354 98.6 1.270
-03.2 105 61.00 2768 3063 48594 10413 98.8 1.252
-02.4 106 61.50 2795 3123 50127 10468 99.1 1.235
-01.6 106 62.00 2822 3184 51720 10517 99.3 1.217 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 107 62.50 2849 3245 53373 10562 99.5 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 63.00 2876 3307 55091 10601 99.6 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 109 63.50 2903 3369 56876 10635 99.8 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
+01.6 110 64.00 2930 3431 58734 10663 99.9 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+02.4 111 64.50 2957 3495 60667 10686 99.9 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.2 112 65.00 2984 3558 62679 10703 100.0 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 112 65.50 3010 3622 64774 10715 100.0 1.101 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 108 63.00 2932 3436 59144 10448 100.0 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 108 63.00 2813 3163 51296 10664 98.6 1.220 ! Near Maximum !
It amazes me how close Quickload data is when you plug in all the specific data.So,you really about run out of case room with this powder before your pressure gets too high.I feel quite comfortable shooting 63.5grs.Would you mind running it with a 200gr Accubond?I've only tried one load,61.0grs Depending on the powder I've compressed stuff to 110 and maybe a bit more. The 180's a long bullet so there's a lot of it to ram down into the powder. Here's what the 200gr AB looks like
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 200, Nosler AccuBond 54618
Useable Case Capaci: 56.350 grain H2O = 3.659 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.833% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-08.3 98 55.00 2486 2744 40934 9639 98.0 1.422
-07.5 99 55.50 2512 2802 42231 9711 98.3 1.401
-06.7 100 56.00 2538 2861 43578 9778 98.6 1.381
-05.8 101 56.50 2564 2920 44976 9841 98.9 1.361
-05.0 102 57.00 2590 2980 46427 9899 99.1 1.341
-04.2 103 57.50 2616 3040 47933 9952 99.4 1.321
-03.3 104 58.00 2642 3101 49498 10000 99.5 1.302
-02.5 105 58.50 2668 3162 51125 10043 99.7 1.283 ! Near Maximum !
-01.7 106 59.00 2694 3224 52815 10080 99.8 1.264 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 107 59.50 2720 3286 54573 10113 99.9 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 60.00 2746 3349 56403 10139 100.0 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 108 60.50 2772 3412 58308 10160 100.0 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
+01.7 109 61.00 2797 3475 60286 10176 100.0 1.192 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.5 110 61.50 2823 3539 62357 10190 100.0 1.175 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.3 111 62.00 2849 3604 64510 10204 100.0 1.157 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.2 112 62.50 2874 3669 66756 10216 100.0 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 60.00 2795 3468 60608 9951 100.0 1.192 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 60.00 2690 3215 52471 10268 99.4 1.266 ! Near Maximum ! So even with 61.0gr I'm running around 60K pressure.A good 30-06 can handle that.Thank You!
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Just keep in mind there's variance between cases chamber etc., so work up properly and I suspect you'll find a load you like.
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RL 17 55-57 grains is good stuff This! 56 grains. Personally I think looking for 2900fps with a 180gr out of an 06 is asking a little much but I guess it’s worth a try. My top 3 choices for 30.06 is IMR-4350, RL-17 or RL-22 but I don’t think any of these will get you there. Good luck. Not Really, but RL 26 is a little too slow to get full velocity potential with a 180 out of an 06. you want to find 29-- fps with a 180, then you powder is H 4831SC, and YES you will be OVER load manual data maxes... but if you also look at the pressure the factory load data runs, you are well under the SAAMI max pressures for an 06 with that powder. Use a crimp, an 06 will run all day long with no issues, with 65 grains of H 4831SC pushing a 180 grain SP ( or RN ) bullet. you're velocity will exceed 2900, even out of a 22 inch barrel.... even moreso with a 24 or 26 inch barrel. and yeah, Nosler has pressure tested it in their ballistics lab in Bend....and verified it, not exceeding SAAMI pressure specs.
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Have you done this, John? How was the accuracy?
Don't be the darkness.
America will perish while those who should be standing guard are satisfying their lusts.
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RL-26 is a "wonder powder" in some applications, not in all. I don't think it is a wonder powder in this application. I could be wrong. RL26 is well out of the wheelhouse for a 30-06 with any bullet weight. RL26 is a great powder for a few cartridges. These days folks are sprinkling RL26 on their Wheaties and claiming their farts go 200fps faster. One of these days they’re gonna blow their azz off….
Casey
Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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RL-26 is a "wonder powder" in some applications, not in all. I don't think it is a wonder powder in this application. I could be wrong. RL26 is well out of the wheelhouse for a 30-06 with any bullet weight. RL26 is a great powder for a few cartridges. These days folks are sprinkling RL26 on their Wheaties and claiming their farts go 200fps faster. One of these days they’re gonna blow their azz off…. Let's see what QL thinks: Here's what the 180gr NBT looks like out of a 24" barrel ADI 2213 is H4831. At 65K PSI Rl-26 is less compressed than ADI AR 2213 Lots of powders will get you 2750+
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler BalTip 30180
Useable Case Capaci: 58.803 grain H2O = 3.818 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 65000 psi, or 448 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 115 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
84 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Alliant Reloder-26 *C 112.5 65.6 4.25 3013 100.0 65000 10716 1.099 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP *C 113.2 64.0 4.15 2977 99.1 65000 10745 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N560 *C 114.8 63.6 4.12 2953 96.2 65000 10808 1.105 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate MAGPRO 115.0 66.3 4.29 2940 94.6 65000 10779 1.109 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 102.0 58.0 3.76 2936 100.0 65000 9546 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-22 *C 115.0 63.0 4.08 2935 98.0 64547 10483 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 107.1 56.6 3.67 2923 100.0 65000 9530 1.105 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC 112.5 62.7 4.06 2920 96.4 65000 10386 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2213 113.3 62.1 4.02 2903 96.2 65000 10281 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter 106.8 59.8 3.87 2899 99.6 65000 9775 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760 100.9 57.8 3.75 2892 99.1 65000 9762 1.121 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 100.9 57.8 3.75 2892 99.1 65000 9762 1.121 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-19 *C 111.3 60.4 3.91 2892 97.9 65000 9973 1.113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Magnum 113.5 67.0 4.34 2891 98.2 65000 9921 1.106 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209 110.3 59.5 3.85 2884 97.7 65000 9870 1.109 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550 *C 103.3 57.2 3.71 2882 100.0 65000 9522 1.129 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP *C 106.4 57.0 3.70 2882 100.0 65000 9389 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350 105.6 57.2 3.71 2879 100.0 65000 9346 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon CFE223 *C 96.3 56.9 3.69 2876 100.0 65000 9309 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon LVR 103.6 56.2 3.64 2874 99.9 65000 9359 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204 *C 105.4 59.0 3.82 2864 97.6 65000 9675 1.116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4831 111.6 57.9 3.75 2863 100.0 65000 9174 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-23 *C *T 115.0 61.0 3.95 2863 100.0 59386 9459 1.153 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Big Game 96.3 55.6 3.60 2855 100.0 65000 8931 1.126 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895 95.9 52.0 3.37 2850 100.0 65000 8954 1.134 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T 111.9 61.3 3.97 2848 95.6 65000 9668 1.115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 3100 115.0 62.3 4.04 2848 99.5 64697 9317 1.142 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester WXR 115.0 61.7 4.00 2847 96.8 58308 10273 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 109.2 57.3 3.71 2843 100.0 65000 8606 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15 *C 96.7 52.4 3.40 2841 100.0 65000 8921 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B *C 97.2 52.7 3.41 2839 100.0 65000 8849 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester Supreme 780 109.1 62.4 4.04 2835 97.5 65000 9390 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380 98.0 54.3 3.52 2833 99.9 65000 9042 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2 91.4 54.1 3.50 2832 100.0 65000 8728 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Shooters World SW4350 105.6 56.6 3.67 2832 99.1 65000 9250 1.139 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S070 105.6 56.6 3.67 2832 99.1 65000 9250 1.139 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old 98.6 54.0 3.50 2830 100.0 65000 8704 1.146 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4350 *T 108.3 57.4 3.72 2827 98.5 65000 9184 1.125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4350 106.3 57.3 3.71 2826 98.6 65000 9169 1.125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Wild Boar 91.8 53.2 3.45 2824 100.0 65000 8716 1.132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748 89.0 51.9 3.36 2823 100.0 65000 8409 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895 93.4 50.6 3.28 2822 100.0 65000 8642 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320 98.7 52.6 3.41 2822 100.0 65000 8584 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H 93.7 50.8 3.29 2821 100.0 65000 8693 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T 113.2 59.7 3.87 2815 95.9 65000 9395 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AP 2214 115.0 64.7 4.19 2814 95.1 60801 9920 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 6,5 StaBall *T*C 104.2 60.8 3.94 2812 100.0 65000 8434 1.121 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Shooters World Long Rifle 104.3 55.3 3.58 2810 99.7 65000 8930 1.141 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S065 104.3 55.3 3.58 2810 99.7 65000 8930 1.141 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 *T 115.0 60.6 3.93 2809 95.0 61966 9559 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4451 Enduron *C*T 101.5 54.4 3.52 2808 98.9 65000 9015 1.127 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 115.0 60.6 3.93 2805 94.7 56960 10074 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC *C 91.8 53.6 3.48 2805 99.7 65000 8848 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4007 SSC 99.6 54.7 3.55 2804 98.6 65000 9044 1.137 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon VARGET *T 99.4 52.1 3.38 2804 100.0 65000 8610 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2208 99.1 52.1 3.38 2804 100.0 65000 8610 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031 96.3 48.8 3.16 2798 100.0 65000 7990 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Shooters World Match Rifle 93.5 52.2 3.39 2795 100.0 65000 8161 1.151 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6 93.5 52.2 3.39 2795 100.0 65000 8161 1.151 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520 91.4 52.2 3.39 2795 100.0 65000 8161 1.151 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4064 100.1 51.2 3.32 2795 100.0 65000 8426 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Shooters World Precision 97.8 51.6 3.34 2793 100.0 65000 8297 1.145 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S062 97.8 51.6 3.34 2793 100.0 65000 8297 1.145 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N530 *C 90.1 49.1 3.18 2792 100.0 65000 8277 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064 98.4 52.2 3.38 2792 100.0 65000 8156 1.168 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2200 91.8 50.5 3.27 2789 99.9 65000 8528 1.132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-25 *C 115.0 62.0 4.02 2786 98.9 52582 10133 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 92.2 50.0 3.24 2785 100.0 65000 8195 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 201 *C 94.8 50.3 3.26 2783 100.0 65000 8260 1.149 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4166 Enduron *C*T 100.6 52.2 3.38 2781 99.0 65000 8710 1.132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N565 *C 115.0 64.0 4.15 2781 94.1 53503 10279 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 *C 115.0 61.7 4.00 2781 97.6 60559 9149 1.157 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot X-Terminator *C 89.5 51.8 3.36 2777 100.0 65000 8302 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N540 *C 96.4 52.8 3.42 2776 100.0 65000 8152 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N150 *C 106.1 54.3 3.52 2776 100.0 65000 8119 1.142 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202 *C 94.2 50.2 3.25 2773 100.0 65000 7994 1.145 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2230 87.4 51.3 3.32 2767 100.0 65000 8058 1.147 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2460 87.6 51.1 3.31 2765 100.0 65000 7968 1.156 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.5 87.8 51.1 3.31 2765 100.0 65000 7968 1.156 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2495 92.6 49.1 3.18 2765 100.0 65000 7844 1.175 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N160 *C 115.0 59.8 3.87 2764 95.8 61549 9057 1.152 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H322 90.1 47.4 3.07 2762 100.0 65000 7771 1.137 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N140 *C 101.0 52.6 3.41 2761 100.0 65000 7953 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S060 94.2 49.7 3.22 2756 100.0 65000 8055 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.4 86.4 50.2 3.25 2755 100.0 65000 7853 1.152 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Shooters World AR Plus 86.4 50.2 3.25 2755 100.0 65000 7853 1.152 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2700 99.5 56.3 3.65 2752 98.3 65000 8498 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2210 86.0 48.1 3.12 2750 100.0 65000 7856 1.139 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Shooters World Tactical Rifle 86.3 49.8 3.23 2749 100.0 65000 7876 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Quickload 🙄
Although useful within reason, I would approach Quickload max loads with a critical eye and no small degree of caution….
Casey
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Having said that, MAGA.
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