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Be my guess just finding the 143 eld x component bullets will be the hard part...mb
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If I weren't a handloader, I'd probably never have gotten a 6.5X55. If I hadn't ever gotten a 6.5X55 I might well have gotten a .260 Remington at some point. If I hadn't gotten either, I might well have gotten a 6.5 Creedmore (I may anyway, sometime, or a 6.5 PRC.) As it is, I am solid curmudgeon. Hell, when the .260 Remington came out I scoffed..."What can it do my 6.5X55 can't do with a good load?" If I'd gone the .260 route, I'd be asking what the Creed can do the .260 can't do.
Actually, for the vast majority of hunters, none offer any particular advantages, we might even throw the .264 WM in that group. The average hunter doesn't often shoot deer-sized game much beyond 300 yards if that. I've killed them out to 400 with my 6.5X55 easily enough.
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I love Creedmore articles…. It’s fun watching the new kid on the block struggling to keep up with my 6.5x55. Didn't know it was a race. It's all in good fun!
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Bought a chit load of prime ammo years ago for mine.Were it not for the fact that non tox is needed in Ca I would not reload for the creed. The LRX's and RL26 work for me.
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I love Creedmore articles…. It’s fun watching the new kid on the block struggling to keep up with my 6.5x55. That’s fine. It’s likely what 6.5 CM has to offer, you could never realize, that’s why it’s so easy to compare to your 6.5x55
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There’s seldom a good reason to abandon something that works for you just to keep up with the trend, but there’s also generally no reason to buy into the old stuff when newer stuff has an advantage, and more options available. I made certain my newest .223 had a fast twist, and I’ll probably never buy a new .243, because newer 6s are better designed, and give me more choices for bullet selection. That reasoning applies to optics, clothing, and electronics, and doubtless other stuff that eludes me for the moment.[/quote]
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Doc, have you tried the 139gr Scenar with H4350? That and the 143 ELD X factory load are very accurate in my rifle. Nossir, I haven't yet. I'll put them on my list in case the ELD's don't work out.
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Be my guess just finding the 143 eld x component bullets will be the hard part...mb Suprisingly not. I have 4 boxes of them waiting to be tried. They were easy to find on several websites when I went looking.
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If I weren't a handloader, I'd probably never have gotten a 6.5X55. If I hadn't ever gotten a 6.5X55 I might well have gotten a .260 Remington at some point. If I hadn't gotten either, I might well have gotten a 6.5 Creedmore (I may anyway, sometime, or a 6.5 PRC.) As it is, I am solid curmudgeon. Hell, when the .260 Remington came out I scoffed..."What can it do my 6.5X55 can't do with a good load?" If I'd gone the .260 route, I'd be asking what the Creed can do the .260 can't do.
Actually, for the vast majority of hunters, none offer any particular advantages, we might even throw the .264 WM in that group. The average hunter doesn't often shoot deer-sized game much beyond 300 yards if that. I've killed them out to 400 with my 6.5X55 easily enough. Yeah, I agree completely. I am definitely well into the curmudgeon age bracket, and seem to have been pretty happy taking most of the heads of game I've taken in the last 25 years with (mostly) the same 5-6 cartridges/rifles. I have no need for a new caliber, so finding out I like the 6.5 CM so much was a definitely unlooked-for surprise. As for the distances most game is shot at, Mule Deer has commented on this before so I won't belabor the point... but the vast majority of game animals are taken within a fairly short distance, less than 150 yards if I recall correctly. In my own hunting records, such as they are, the vast majority of my venison has been collected at ranges of about 125 yards or less. While I can shoot a lot farther than that, and have done so when there was really no alternative, I like to get close if I can. It's the essence of fair chase, to me. Truer words were never spoken. Good hunting, sir.
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Was reading my Oct. '22 Handloader mag and really liked JB's article, "The 6.5 Creedmoor Again". I know that subject has been beat to death, but JB does a great job, as usual.
A couple of his loads caught my eye. The 140 VLD Hunting over 46 gr. RL-26 at 2,835 fps, posting .54" at a hundred. Now, that one has promise, gonna load some of those. Another was the 127 LRX over 44 gr. StaBALL, shot a .99" group. He was shooting a Vanguard First Lite, which seemed to perform very well. There were a number of great loads, those two tweaked my interest.
Thanks John, for your attention to detail and excellent articles.
DF Thanks, glad you liked the article! That's actually the third article I published in Handloader on the 6.5 Creedmoor. The first appeared in 2010, the second several years later, after a number of new powders and 6.5mm bullets had appeared. After that time the editor of HL said he wasn't going to run any more articles on it, because he was tired of looking at 'em--but had to change his mind after a bunch of subscribers kept demanding more info. Which is why he assigned me this latest one. As I pointed out, even a few powders have been introduced with the 6.5 Creedmoor in mind. But I don't plan on doing yet another "update" down the road. I also found it interesting that some Campfire members still have to comment on any 6.5 Creedmoor article by stating their 6.5x55 or .260 will do the "same things," even do 'em better. I have owned several 6.5x55s and .260s, and have one of each now, a custom 6.5x55 on an FN Mauser commercial action rebarreled with a 1-8 Lilja by Charlie Sisk, and a Tikka T3 .260 with a 1-8 twist, part of a special run ordered by Whittaker Guns. They both shoot very well, in fact about as well as the average 6.5 Creedmoor factory rifle--though I had to lengthen the magazine on the Tikka to match typical Creedmoor accuracy. And neither the 6.5x55 or .260 will do so with factory ammo--IF you can find any. John JB: Thanks for another well done write up. I, too, always find it interesting when people comment on new cartridges with statements to the effect that the new cartridge won't do anything that a fast twist, properly throated, long mag, etc, XYZ won't. Such juxtapositions really miss the mark of what a lot of new cartridges have to offer. Being able to buy a factory rifle that's optimized for factory ammo that's loaded with the bullets you'd like to shoot and is actually available for purchase is quite a lot to a lot of people. I like to pull the trigger a lot, but sometimes life gets in the way of having time to hand load, so I appreciate rigs for which good factory fodder is available.
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The Creed is fun to shoot, doesn’t kick hell out of you. It is a perfect caliber for young and old, plus all in between.
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JB, a good title for another article might be What ( the fugh) Can XXX Do That My XXX Isn't Already Doing? We hear it all the time at the campfire so there should be a lot of interest in such an article. 
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I'm as guilty as anyone of getting tired of the almighty Creed crazy, but that doesn't take anything away from the cartridge itself. I really like the design and if I wasn't already up to my ears in 7mm-08 stuff, and starting out new, I'd have one.
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Was reading my Oct. '22 Handloader mag and really liked JB's article, "The 6.5 Creedmoor Again". I know that subject has been beat to death, but JB does a great job, as usual.
A couple of his loads caught my eye. The 140 VLD Hunting over 46 gr. RL-26 at 2,835 fps, posting .54" at a hundred. Now, that one has promise, gonna load some of those. Another was the 127 LRX over 44 gr. StaBALL, shot a .99" group. He was shooting a Vanguard First Lite, which seemed to perform very well. There were a number of great loads, those two tweaked my interest.
Thanks John, for your attention to detail and excellent articles.
DF Thanks, glad you liked the article! That's actually the third article I published in Handloader on the 6.5 Creedmoor. The first appeared in 2010, the second several years later, after a number of new powders and 6.5mm bullets had appeared. After that time the editor of HL said he wasn't going to run any more articles on it, because he was tired of looking at 'em--but had to change his mind after a bunch of subscribers kept demanding more info. Which is why he assigned me this latest one. As I pointed out, even a few powders have been introduced with the 6.5 Creedmoor in mind. But I don't plan on doing yet another "update" down the road. I also found it interesting that some Campfire members still have to comment on any 6.5 Creedmoor article by stating their 6.5x55 or .260 will do the "same things," even do 'em better. I have owned several 6.5x55s and .260s, and have one of each now, a custom 6.5x55 on an FN Mauser commercial action rebarreled with a 1-8 Lilja by Charlie Sisk, and a Tikka T3 .260 with a 1-8 twist, part of a special run ordered by Whittaker Guns. They both shoot very well, in fact about as well as the average 6.5 Creedmoor factory rifle--though I had to lengthen the magazine on the Tikka to match typical Creedmoor accuracy. And neither the 6.5x55 or .260 will do so with factory ammo--IF you can find any. John I don't know about 6.5x55 factory ammo, haven't bought or shot any for a very long time, but the 260 REM Hornady Superformance 129 grain SST has been just as accurate as the same brand, style, and bullet in 6.5 CM for me. I got a deal when this ammo was being closed out for $8 per box if I bought all 30 boxes that the dealer had. Shoots good groups from multiple rifles, Remington bolt guns and my Savage 99F. The Superformance 257 Roberts ammo shoots pretty good groups from your old Mexican Mauser too. I can't remember the last time that I saw any factory ammo in 6.5x55, 260, and dozens of other old standard cartridges for sale, but it has been awhile. Heck, I've only seen 30-30 factory ammo of dealers' shelves within the past couple of months, a shortage that didn't even happen after the Connecticut school shooting back in 2012. Makes me glad to always keep a dedicated lot of ammo for each rifle that is in the rack.
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I'm as guilty as anyone of getting tired of the almighty Creed crazy, but that doesn't take anything away from the cartridge itself. I really like the design and if I wasn't already up to my ears in 7mm-08 stuff, and starting out new, I'd have one. Up to your ears in 7mm-08 stuff is a pretty good place to be for a lot of shooting tasks.
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I'm as guilty as anyone of getting tired of the almighty Creed crazy, but that doesn't take anything away from the cartridge itself. I really like the design and if I wasn't already up to my ears in 7mm-08 stuff, and starting out new, I'd have one. Last year I got myself into 7mm-08 and also fully stocked! It's the modern man's non-manbun cartridge. 
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Between my 7mm-08 Encore rifle and Kimber sporterized 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser I just never felt the urge to get a 6.5 Creed. I've seen them used on game and a buddy has one and I do some reloading for him. It's a nice cartridge but I'm already happy in a ballistic way with my current 6.5x55 & 7mm-08. The 6.5x55 I refer to as a 6.5 Swedemoor.
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Between my 7mm-08 Encore rifle and Kimber sporterized 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser I just never felt the urge to get a 6.5 Creed. I've seen them used on game and a buddy has one and I do some reloading for him. It's a nice cartridge but I'm already happy in a ballistic way with my current 6.5x55 & 7mm-08. The 6.5x55 I refer to as a 6.5 Swedemoor. I like my 7-08, too. Probably use it more than my Swede or Creed. But JB’s new article has interested me in trying some of his loads in the Creed. Loony stuff, for sure. Deer don’t know the difference. Not sure hunters can tell much difference, either. DF
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Thanks, glad you liked the article!
That's actually the third article I published in Handloader on the 6.5 Creedmoor. The first appeared in 2010, the second several years later, after a number of new powders and 6.5mm bullets had appeared. After that time the editor of HL said he wasn't going to run any more articles on it, because he was tired of looking at 'em--but had to change his mind after a bunch of subscribers kept demanding more info. Which is why he assigned me this latest one. As I pointed out, even a few powders have been introduced with the 6.5 Creedmoor in mind. But I don't plan on doing yet another "update" down the road.
I also found it interesting that some Campfire members still have to comment on any 6.5 Creedmoor article by stating their 6.5x55 or .260 will do the "same things," even do 'em better. I have owned several 6.5x55s and .260s, and have one of each now, a custom 6.5x55 on an FN Mauser commercial action rebarreled with a 1-8 Lilja by Charlie Sisk, and a Tikka T3 .260 with a 1-8 twist, part of a special run ordered by Whittaker Guns. They both shoot very well, in fact about as well as the average 6.5 Creedmoor factory rifle--though I had to lengthen the magazine on the Tikka to match typical Creedmoor accuracy. And neither the 6.5x55 or .260 will do so with factory ammo--IF you can find any.
John I bought a 6.5x55 -- Husqvarna M96/38 -- when I lived in Germany. Worked fine for reh deer. Didn't try to use it for red deer or chamois; my limitation was about scoping the rifle, not the cartridge. Back here, I eventually got a Remington 700 Ti in .260 Rem. Worked fine for whitetail, and for javelina at distances. Decent 100-yard groups, easy enough to get down around 3/4" with a 8x scope. My limitation was that the barrel was a bit long for my taste, the bolt didn't seem to cycle quite as smoothly as I'd hoped for, and the safety is different from the Model 70 I have. So I eventually/eventually got a Kimber Adirondack in 6.5 Creedmoor. Even lighter weight, shorter barrel, the bolt seems to run more smoothly, and the safety works like my model 70. Sighting in a different scope just the other day, I got several 3/4" groups (mostly with the Hornady and Berger factory ammo I had on hand) with the 5x scope. No game with it yet, but it "carried" nicely in the woods last year. I do recognize the theoretical difference with twist rates and longer bullets... but so far, I don't see any usable difference, for me, between the cartridges. For me, it's only been about the platforms. -Chris
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Last weekend I got to hear some more uninformed anti-Creedmoor blather. One of the guys shot a nice buck through the chest with a 308. After the shot the buck went a little way but was easily found. A member of the audience at the skinning shed took the opportunity to make sure everybody knew if he'd been shot with a 6.5 they'd still be out there looking for him.
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