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Kinda reminds me of a song...

"Busted flat in Cody, waitin' for a train

When I's feelin' near as faded as my jeans...

Tonto thumbed a diesel down, just before it rained...

And rode us all the way into New Orleans...

La-da-da, la-da-da-da, la-da-da-da-da-da-da"


If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.



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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Just cause it's funnsies.

Originally Posted by Eric Stecker Berger Bullets
History of the Match Grade Berger Hunting VLD

By Eric Stecker

The story of the Berger Hunting VLD is a story of discovery rather than design. The VLD bullet design was created by ballistician Bill Davis. Bill’s goal was to produce a bullet design that performed better in the wind than the 30 cal 168 gr SMK. He was asked to do this by the US 300 meter shooting team, who had discovered that they were losing points late in the match due to recoil fatigue. They wanted a lighter bullet (less recoil) that would still fly with the same or better trajectory.

After Bill came up with the design he went to Walt Berger to make the bullets. Walt understood the vision of this concept and even though this bullet required a faster twist barrel than was readily available, Walt decided he would make these bullets. They were a huge success in that they had a much better trajectory than the 168 gr SMK, so the goal of this particular project was achieved and surpassed.

Slowly but surely word started to get out about the VLD concept. Shooters who cared about trajectories started ordering barrels and over the next several years the VLD popularity grew rapidly. From the beginning and to this day Berger Bullets makes only match grade bullets. For a very long time Sierra Bullets has communicated the message that you cannot hunt game with match bullets since this is true with their MatchKings. Since the Berger VLD is a match grade bullet, Walt Berger took the same position and recommended that shooter should not hunt with the match grade Berger VLD.

Over the years we would get reports from hunters who used the Berger VLD to take game of all sizes. We dismissed these reports as the exception rather than the rule and would tell these hunters that we do not recommend that they use them to hunt. Through the 90’s we tested several different concepts for a Berger “hunting” bullet, which had to meet two criteria. The first is that it had to retain at least 80% of its weight (since this was the conventional wisdom at the time), and the second was that it had to be capable of ¼ MOA in an equally capable rifle. We were not successful in meeting both goals in any of our tests.

As the century turned, we had all but given up on the notion that we could make a “hunting” bullet which was also match grade. In 2005 everything changed. While attending the SHOT Show we were approached by John Burns, who at the time was with The Best of the West TV show. He asked if we would be interested in sponsoring their hunting show. Walt replied “we don’t make a hunting bullet”. John’s response was, “Oh yes you do.”

John pulled out a portable DVD player and showed us 45 minutes of bang flop after bang flop. Being a long time hunter Walt was very impressed with how quickly the game was dropping in each of the hits. John relayed that each animal was taken with Berger VLD match grade bullets and that he’d taken or watched personally hundreds of big game taken with Berger VLD’s over the years.

Obviously, this got our attention, but we were not ready to jump in with both feet without personally testing this report and observing the results we’d been shown. Over the next year numerous tests were done in media using every caliber and every VLD bullet in our line. The results were consistent and led us to decide to try them on game ourselves. In 6 months we either shot or personally witnessed over 50 animals of various size being taken with the Berger VLD. Each animal acted in the same way as the animals in the video John showed us at the SHOT Show.

Sorta explains why Hornady sent me the first hunting ammo for the 6.5mm Creedmoor.

Good stuff John.

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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Higginez
Jerry Miculek makes some great cookies from a recipe John Burns gave him.

Or so I heard.

Jerry has cooked me breakfast in hunting camp.

So I got than going for me.


Jerry is a hell of a guy, you should study him and take lessons on the way he conducts himself.


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Originally Posted by 12344mag
Jerry is a hell of a guy, you should study him and take lessons on the way he conducts himself.

Burns is the LeBro James of the gun world...

He can't help himself when the gin is flowing.


If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.



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Originally Posted by bellydeep
He might not have been the first guy to shoot big game LR, but sure as [bleep], he was the guy that dumped gasoline on the match. I remember seeing one of his hunts for the first time. Can’t remember if it was the TV show or a DVD I borrowed from someone. Anyway, I was pretty blown away by it all. Sure, LRFs we’re around, but 500 yards was still considered a damn long shot, and when hunters did engage, it was usually a multiple shot ordeal. He was killing stuff a twice that with one shot, DRT.
Gamblers never talk about their losses and Johnny MIC'Gutshot never talks about the animals he wounds.


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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Just asking. My uncle shoots Hornaday bullets, never seen em.

Dunno if he picks em up when he shops at Walmarts or where.

Questions need question marks.

What is your question?
The question with the question mark was a post or 2 above.

There is no question in the statement you quoted.

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Originally Posted by Higginez
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Just asking. My uncle shoots Hornaday bullets, never seen em.

Dunno if he picks em up when he shops at Walmarts or where.

All the old guys say Hornaday around here.
Poor old guys.


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That roach infested pasta place reminded me of this. 😂😂😂


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Gotta love the nostril herpes. Fuggin Burns is a mess.

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Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Where are you so we can have lunch?

Seems like just last week you were trying to arrange a lunch date with another member. You sure do get around!

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Where are you so we can have lunch?

Seems like just last week you were trying to arrange a lunch date with another member. You sure do get around!

Just to clarify, I'm not doing a 3sum with you two. If Rick wants to dance, it's solo or nogo.



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Meet him at Blumpy's

Sounds like a sandwich shop, don't it?



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Originally Posted by qwk
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From Jerry to Newman !

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Great Scott!



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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by rcamuglia
Where are you so we can have lunch?

Seems like just last week you were trying to arrange a lunch date with another member. You sure do get around!

Just to clarify, I'm not doing a 3sum with you two. If Rick wants to dance, it's solo or nogo.

Damn, I forget to pull out one time and this is the way I get treated.

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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Hey Burns,

Find the lie, though.

I found the passive whiney bitch.

That would be you.

Post your best bull that's much samller than the 13yr olds that you whined about.

Thanks.

Where’s the lie?

LOL.

Here is just a start.

Originally Posted by Lying Passive Bitch
Unfortunately, that little bit of fame went right to his head. He started getting spray tans and was so full of himself he could hardly open his mouth without having an orgasm to the sound of his own voice. Next thing you know, he’s not on TV anymore. After that, he’s quit (via lawsuit) the bolt rifle business and is assembling ARs (yes, I said assembling).


Johnny Gin Blossom:

I thought about posting a pic of a bull I killed.

Then I thought, WWTGJGBD? (What would the great Johnny Gin Blossom do?)

Obviously, post up pics of a 13 year old boy.

Then I looked at my camera roll and realized I don’t have pictures of any 13 year old boys.

So, I guess you won this one.

Congratulations????


Originally Posted by shrapnel
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.


Originally Posted by JohnBurns
I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Originally Posted by bellydeep
Johnny Gin Blossom:

I thought about posting a pic of a bull I killed.

Then I thought, WWTGJGBD? (What would the great Johnny Gin Blossom do?)

Obviously, post up pics of a 13 year old boy.

Then I looked at my camera roll and realized I don’t have pictures of any 13 year old boys.

So, I guess you won this one.

Congratulations????

Well then skip the kids.

Public ground bulls.

Lets start here.

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This is going to be tough for you to play.


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Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Johnny Gin Blossom:

I thought about posting a pic of a bull I killed.

Then I thought, WWTGJGBD? (What would the great Johnny Gin Blossom do?)

Obviously, post up pics of a 13 year old boy.

Then I looked at my camera roll and realized I don’t have pictures of any 13 year old boys.

So, I guess you won this one.

Congratulations????

Well then skip the kids.

Public ground bulls.

Lets start here.

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This is going to be tough for you to play.

Please post up something in the last 10 years or 30 lbs?


Originally Posted by shrapnel
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.


Originally Posted by JohnBurns
I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Originally Posted by bellydeep
Please post up something in the last 10 years or 30 lbs?

Why?

I have you beat by decades.

It's super funny.

Post a picture you whiney bitch of your best bull.


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