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Mercy bo coops, Sir Dennis.
You doing the Jet Sled thing like me ?

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The 404-gr/.458 Shock Hammer is good as it gets in any .458-caliber rifle,
even a .458 B&M+ with 16.9" barrel in a Tupperware stock with hotglue bedding of action lug only.
Wear of electronic earmuffs is recommended when shooting supersonic, non-suppressed loads with Griffin EZ-Brake.
I am going to reward the little .458 B&M+ with a new B&C Medalist stock and proper glass bedding.

Now back to full-blown .458 WM+ with adult barrel length.
There will be no Lottite tea parties at The Square Table.


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Sir Ron,
Good info on the lower velocity impact bullet performance.
I need to re-read "The Gunner's" distance killing shots.

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If, I manage 2350 fps with the 404 Hammer from my standard SAAMI 458 Winchester with 22" barrel, I should have a few fps either side of 1900 at 230 yds.

The 230 yds is my target of "long-range" bullet performance. I "think" the 2350 fps muzzle velocity will be easily obtained. I am staying conservative / reserved on my guesses, until I chronograph this rifle.

My optimistic side says 2375 Fps will be no-sweat condition achievable.
The 404 Hammer bullet is #1 !!

Great shooting on that whitetail.!

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I think that is what [dead in its tracks ] means😁👍

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Sir Larry,
You will have absolutely no problem getting 2350 fps from a 22"-barreled .458 WM, even if you want to keep it loaded as short as 3.280" COL.
That is a good plan for a DG-scope-sighted rifle.
With the 404-gr SH at 2350 fps MV, if max ordinate is 3.00" at 113.28 yards,
you will be dead on at 200 yards and 25 yards.
Only 3" low at 235 yards.
That will handle most situations.
Only bullet you need except for maybe elephant or whaling.


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Originally Posted by 44mc
I think that is what [dead in its tracks ] means😁👍
Sir Allen,
Yes he truly hit the DiRT.


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Originally Posted by Riflecrank
Sir Larry,
You will have absolutely no problem getting 2350 fps from a 22"-barreled .458 WM, even if you want to keep it loaded as short as 3.280" COL.
That is a good plan for a DG-scope-sighted rifle.
With the 404-gr SH at 2350 fps MV, if max ordinate is 3.00" at 113.28 yards,
you will be dead on at 200 yards and 25 yards.
Only 3" low at 235 yards.
That will handle most situations.
Only bullet you need except for maybe elephant or whaling.


Excellent, I see no reason for a solid in this hemisphere



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Yes sir on the jet sled! I love it. With my jet sled I don’t need anybody. I might need more time but I don’t need help. I like help especially if my son is the one helping. He moved to Colorado so I’m on my own this year. I hate sitting in trees and have never used a tower but doubt I would like it. I like the ground. Rim rock or prairie hillsides, fallen trees all make me happy.
I will reserve one tag for the magnificent 458WM pushing a 485 fn cast bullet again this year. She has never Failed me.
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Originally Posted by jwp475
Plus Hornady are affordable and doesn't require a kidney and a first born or a 30 year loan to purchase


Agreed!

And thanks Sir Bob, i was my sincere pleasure.

Ho Lee Damn! Sir Ron, great shooting, plus, that's the cleanest kill i've ever seen ; ]

Good stuff Sir.


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Originally Posted by Fury01
Yes sir on the jet sled! I love it. With my jet sled I don’t need anybody. I might need more time but I don’t need help. I like help especially if my son is the one helping. He moved to Colorado so I’m on my own this year. I hate sitting in trees and have never used a tower but doubt I would like it. I like the ground. Rim rock or prairie hillsides, fallen trees all make me happy.
I will reserve one tag for the magnificent 458WM pushing a 485 fn cast bullet again this year. She has never Failed me.
Best regards,
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Hope you bleed one with that big cast slug F01, i'm going to take my saami FN Browning 458 WM for a walk on the mountain in the morning, it's opening day here, 500 grains of Partition at 2166 awaits! wink


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Beautilful work Sir Ron!

And those 500gr Partitions... are they for a whitetail, Sir Jerry? I had a chance to buy a single box recently - almost did it, but already have too many others in .458". Some expansion on deer expected?

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Yes, Sir Bob, that's the only soft point load for that rifle, in the name of simplicity, it and the 450gr BBW#13 solids have the old FN well covered, it will work on deer or Cape Buffalo, i dont expect much expansion, if able, i'll angle the shot to quarter in or out or lengthways to exit.

I bought a lot of these years ago when sps ran a sale, iirc i have around 200 left, that should do it.


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November 30 opening day for me! Still doing the which rifle dance but the old Whitworth will get the Nod in the first 3 days somewhere. Doe season starting Jan 1 is a certain thing for her duty time as well.
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Excellent, I see no reason for a solid in this hemisphere"

Unless you are shooting exotics such as Water buff or Cape Buff in Texas.
I used my 1895 .405 and 300 grain NF CPS at 2200 fps on Water Buff with good success. The CPS should work fine on Cape Buff too.

I used my 1886 .45-90 on Bison (450 grain NF at 2150 fps) for a shoulder shot at 45 yards: complete shoot through that dumped the running Bison head over heels. Great eating too.


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Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by Fury01
Yes sir on the jet sled! I love it. With my jet sled I don’t need anybody. I might need more time but I don’t need help. I like help especially if my son is the one helping. He moved to Colorado so I’m on my own this year. I hate sitting in trees and have never used a tower but doubt I would like it. I like the ground. Rim rock or prairie hillsides, fallen trees all make me happy.
I will reserve one tag for the magnificent 458WM pushing a 485 fn cast bullet again this year. She has never Failed me.
Best regards,
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Hope you bleed one with that big cast slug F01, i'm going to take my saami FN Browning 458 WM for a walk on the mountain in the morning, it's opening day here, 500 grains of Partition at 2166 awaits! wink

Originally Posted by crshelton
Excellent, I see no reason for a solid in this hemisphere"

Unless you are shooting exotics such as Water buff or Cape Buff in Texas.
I used my 1895 .405 and 300 grain NF CPS at 2200 fps on Water Buff with good success. The CPS should work fine on Cape Buff too.

I used my 1886 .45-90 on Bison (450 grain NF at 2150 fps) for a shoulder shot at 45 yards: complete shoot through that dumped the running Bison head over heels. Great eating too.


Excellent stuff Sirs !

The 500-gr NosPart with BC = 0.389 at 2166 fps MV and 5208 ft-lbs KE will arrive at 200 yards with 1779 fps and 3512 ft-lbs.
Guaranteed effective point and shoot out to 220 yards if zeroed about +2.61" at 100 yards.
Recoil is only a few ft-lbs more than 404-gr SH at 2500 fps.
Sir Jerry will not be able to tell the difference.

All kinds of Buffalo Medicine is welcome at The Square Table, .458-caliber preferred, of course, like Sir Charles' North Fork load.

I am going to see if I can get decent accuracy out of the 407-gr Accurate Molds hardcast/GC/PC-painted at 2500 fps.
First from a .458 WM (1:14" twist) with adult length barrel.
Only if necessary, I'll try them in the 1:18" and 1:20" twists of .45-100-2.6" aka .45-70 Elko Magnum.
That will save on practice loads, as substitute for Shock hammers.

And now a new technique learned from the January 2023 issue of GUNS Magazine, pp. 54-55,
"Beagling Bullets the bulletcaster's best friend" by Alan Garbers.
He got it from John "Beagle" Goins at

www.castboolits.gunloads.com

There is a sticky thread there with title "Mould Enlargement 'beagling' "
and it starts off with this PDF:

http://www.castpics.net/subsite2/MoldMods/BDE.pdf

This uses aluminum foil tape as shims between the mould block halves.
Can add .003" to .004" to diameter of cast bullet from that mould.
The bullets may not be perfectly round, but hardly any cast bullet is.
They will be cast large and sized down a bit in sizers that probably are not perfectly round either,
to the nearest micron.
From the PDF:
"Even elliptical bullets are rounded during the sizing process, especially if sized in one of the newer tapered
sizer dies. Accuracy is just as good as with completely round bullets. Even though these bullets may be slightly out
of round, they still maintain balance when fired."


With this technique I might be able to turn the Bagwellian Lyman PH .457"/475-grainer
into a hardcast .461"/485-grain PH with which to Bagwell
using smokeless loads for the .458 WM.

To be continued ...


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Agreed Sir Ron, the 500 npt is perfect for saami spec, loading it long would require rolling on another crimp groove, plus, the 450gr TSX at 2400+ and the 404gr Hammer at 2500+ have no peers imho for a soft in the 458 WM+, when one wants to load for a little extra range, they're king heavy game takers, i carried that old FN up and down the mountain twice today, had a great day, didnt see anything i wanted to burn a tag on, my tail is dragging LOL.

Speaking of dragging, mountain hunting a 458 is much easier than throwing on at least 8 ricks of firewood, had 2 rick on the pickup alone, and at least 6 on the little 20' bumper pull utility trailer, i was beat this time yesterday evening LOL, this wood is what i cut, split and piled on the hill to dry last July, the old Cow Killer red oak along with a few water oak and hickory are seasoned up and ready to keep that cold natured chicken i live with warm all winter, probably 4 rick left to load.

That 475gr Lyman greaser of Saint Bagwell's wont let you down. cool


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Sir Ron thank,s for the tidbit on shiming a mold good info 👍

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Good shooting Sir Ron, and I wish you good eating as well! We have been travelling too much lately and am missing most of the first season. I will have to use my 458 on a doe when that season opens up. Then a 45C Linebaugh during pistol season. Better go load some 404's now.

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Sirs;

We're getting hammered with a snowstorm, and it's not even winter yet, so says the calendar! Upper New York State and Southern Ontario got hit yesterday with the worst on record = 6 feet in Buffalo! My .458 (Grace) is tucked away in a nice warm place and will not likely see action until April, if this kind of weather keeps on till then!

But I can always load up some more!

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Originally Posted by 44mc
Sir Ron thank,s for the tidbit on shimming a mold good info 👍
Found a roll of "Aluminum Foil Tape" at Menards.
The foil plus paper is 0.006" thick before the non-stick paper backing is peeled off.
Peel off the backing and it leaves adhesive on one side of foil.
I cut a little strip off and measured thickness of the foil and adhesive only, squeezed between my calipers: 0.003"
Should be fun.


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