I am old now, but I can still remember, when I was very young, my aunts and uncles saying, "California can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't come up here, to Oregon." It was the 1960's. I still hear people saying the same thing, but now in Georgia, Florida, and Texas.
I am old now, but I can still remember, when I was very young, my aunts and uncles saying, "California can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't come up here, to Oregon." It was the 1960's. I still hear people saying the same thing, but now in Georgia, Florida, and Texas.
Well the DemocRATS have just replaced this with House Bill 348...
in it they jack up fees, put more limitations ( wait times etc)... then Ram it thru their little system, just before their annual recess... they only have about 6 months or less of in session time annually...
so they throw a grenade to the public to have to fight this thru the courts once again...
When are we going to quit calling these Aass Wholes "DemocRATS" and call them what they really are: MF'g COMMUNISTS....
Whoever coined the phrase " the only good Communist is a dead Communist" was 100% right, whether he was taking about a full blown commie, or a hiding Commie Aka "DemocRAT"
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
Legal challenges to state gun control bill would be restricted to Marion County, new amendment says Updated: Apr. 03, 2023, 1:51 p.m.|Published: Apr. 03, 2023, 11:33 a.m. Court jurisdiction Legislatures have a fair amount of control over court jurisdiction but the amendment does “smack a bit of forum shopping,” yet the plaintiffs challenging Measure 114 in Harney County “were themselves forum shopping,” said Steve Kanter, dean emeritus at Lewis & Clark Law School.Patti Sapone | NJ Advance Media
By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive A last-minute amendment to a state gun control bill that largely mimics voter-approved Measure 114 would restrict future legal challenges to the bill to Marion County Circuit Court.
The move is aimed at avoiding so-called “forum shopping,” the practice of pursuing a legal claim in a court that is likely to treat it most favorably.
Late last year, the Virginia-based Gun Owners of America filed a lawsuit in Oregon’s rural and conservative Harney County, where a judge issued injunctions putting Measure 114 on hold as he considers whether the new gun regulations meet state constitutional muster.
In Harney County, 85% of voters opposed the measure last November. In Marion County, 58% of voters opposed the measure and 42% supported it, according to state certified results. The measure narrowly passed statewide with 50.7% support.
While the plaintiffs challenging Measure 114 in Harney County appeared to be seeking a ruling reflecting their point of view, the amendment also does “smack a bit of forum shopping,” too, even though legislatures have a fair amount of control over court jurisdiction, said Steve Kanter, dean emeritus at Lewis & Clark Law School.
Sen. Dennis Linthicum, R- Klamath Falls, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, blasted the amendment in a statement Monday.
“This is just a naked attempt to thwart perfectly valid, warranted and legal challenges by camouflaging the illegal, unconstitutional, and deceitful nature of this bill behind the entitlement of a single jurisdictional authority,” he wrote. " One jurisdiction to rule them all, and a jurisdiction that is most-likely beholden to the Democrat party.”
Sen. Floyd Prozanski, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, filed the amendment to Senate Bill 348 on Friday night after holding a public hearing on the main bill last week. He did not immediately respond to messages seeking his comment. Prozanski sponsored the bill, which was drafted by a state legislative counsel after a work group was convened.
The committee, which was scheduled Monday to consider the amendment and then decide whether to hold a vote and pass the bill out of committee, postponed the work session on the bill and amendment until Tuesday at 1 p.m.
SB 348 sets out a procedure to apply for a permit to buy a gun and requires state police to complete a background check before a gun can be sold or transferred to a permit holder, starting July 1, 2024. It also would ban the sale or purchase of magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition, except for use by military or law enforcement officers. The large-capacity ammunition ban would become effective on the date the bill is signed into law if approved.
The bill goes further than Measure 114 by also raising the age for gun buyers, increasing the waiting period to obtain a gun and increasing the fees to obtain a gun permit.
People would have to be 21 to get a permit and buy a gun with one temporary exception: 18-, 19- and 20-year-olds could buy certain hunting rifles and shotguns without a permit until July 2026 -- as long as they have completed a firearms safety course.
The initial fee to apply for a permit would be $150, with no more than $48 going to state police and the FBI to support the criminal background checks. The rest would go to local law enforcement. The permit would be valid for five years. A renewal would cost $110 but applicants wouldn’t have to take a new gun training course.
The bill also adds a 72-hour waiting period to sell or a transfer a gun to people after they’ve obtained a permit and received state police approval on their background check.
welfare benefits have no requirement that one must have an address of residence, with many people collecting under multiple " identities" . Yet one has to run a "background check" to purchase a firearm.
Radical Groups like Antifa and BLM can have riots, and suffer no consequences for destroying property and burning down businesses or other property. Yet an individual has no right to defend themselves when attacked with intent to harm or kill by these people., nor defend their property or their loved ones.
Then these are the same people who munipulate election results and then attack any individual or group, that question or oppose the results they claim...
Yet we as Americans are suppose to stand down, and put up with this tyranny by these leftist communists.
No DemocRAT politician is your friend, unless you are a drug using, welfare abusing communist leftist.
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
114, SB348, and the 63 page amendment restricting legal challenges only to Marion County is 1000% unconstitutional.
Can they do it? Nope!
Do they think they can do it? Likely not.
But they know it will slow our attorneys and the process for fighting both 114 and SB348.
The State can pass these laws, and they are laws, until they get overturned. The Liberals bet on two things. In the short term they know most law abiding people in Oregon will follow their laws.
The State also knows they have an endless supply of taxpayers money to use in their efforts to scrub our constitutional rights away.
They also know that our legal fight, against them, doesn’t cost them anything. We are the ones who have to open our wallets twice. First with our tax dollars to help them try to cut our own throats, then again to donate money to OFF, GOA, SAFE Oregon’s Hunters Association and whoever else is providing funding to the law firms who are fighting on our behalf.
Liberal Legislators and Liberal State Justice Dept hope that we run out of money before our challenges make their way through the courts.
If companies that make money from the gun industry and single donors, like us, stop helping to pay for our fight. They will win.
Simple as that.
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Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
OFF v State of Oregon will likely go in the loss column for Oregon gun owners due to Judge Immergut, her personal feelings against firearms, and her lack of willingness to apply SCOTUS Bruen ruling.
If this becomes a reality, OFF will appeal to the 9th Circuit for correction that should hopefully follow SCOTUS Bruen ruling. This lawsuit has legs that could be taken all the way to the end.
GOA and GOF v State of Oregon pulled out as plaintiffs in the Harney County, Oregon trial that starts September 18th. GOA and GOF stood to potentially lose hundreds of thousands of dollars during discovery because Oregon doesn’t have ‘Representational Standing’ as plaintiffs. GOA and GOF would have likely been buried in discovery requests by the State of Oregon.
GOA and GOF are still funding the lawsuit for the two remaining plaintiffs.
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Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
Yesterday was the first day in OFF’s federal trial to stop the implementation of the very dangerous and unconstitutional Measure 114.
In addition to the limitless budget the state has to deny your rights, the judge has allowed an anti-gun organization to “intervene” adding to the army of lawyers working to undermine the Second Amendment in Oregon.
We are proud to note that OFF’s witnesses did an outstanding job of presenting the facts and the reality of this measure, in spite of the shameless attempts by the state to discredit and impeach them. Needless to say, the state failed.
No matter which way the judge rules, the harsh truth that this measure is far more expansive than the state pretends it is, will come out.
Adam Johnson, the owner of Coat of Arms firearms in Keizer, was able to skillfully place on the record that virtually all firearms magazines will be banned under this measure, not just those capable of holding over 10 rounds. This was something the judge clearly had never considered and was obviously surprised by.
Most questions by the state and the anti-gun intervenors were completely nonsensical and had nothing to do with the issues of the trial. But their cross examinations were surprisingly limited and it was clear they wanted to steer the arguments away from the facts of the case and use their time to attack our witnesses for the “crimes” of actually supporting gun rights or working in firearm’s related businesses.
The strategy of the state, from the start, has been to side step the issues and the clear dictates of the Supreme Court.
The state, and the anti-gun organizations who are in league with the state, are basing their entire argument on the fact that firearms and firearm’s magazines are used in crimes.
This is hardly a novel or compelling argument, and it is absurdly irrelevant. Of course firearms are used in crimes. But the state is also trying to imply that standard magazines are never used for lawful purposes, and in fact, are not even “arms” that are protected by the Second Amendment.
The state is using stats of the “average” number of rounds fired in self defense situations to imply that because that is fewer than ten, people are not even using ten round magazines in defensive situations. Since most modern firearms come from the manufacturer with magazines over ten rounds, and there are countless millions of them in the hands of law abiding gun owners, this is an utterly nonsensical position.
Unfortunately, it is a position the court seems happy to entertain.
(Even more absurd is the reality that if law abiding Oregonians are stripped of their right to own magazines, criminals will still be acquiring as many as they want by using any of the millions in circulation or simply crossing state lines to buy them from any gun store.)
But it should not even matter. The courts have clearly upheld the right to own arms for any lawful purpose and it is undeniable that countless thousands of people use standard capacity magazines for purposes in addition to self defense.
The argument that firearms and standard magazines are used in crime should not even be allowed to brought into this case. The Supreme Court in Bruin made it clear that the state cannot use a “balancing test”. If the Second Amendment protects it, it’s protected. So it is troubling that this irrelevant and completely emotional argument is being permitted.
What is not being allowed is the mountain of evidence our lawyers and volunteers have assembled demonstrating that the Oregon State Police are already not doing their job and almost certainly cannot complete the additional work Measure 114 will create for them.
The judge’s exclusion of this information and the cartel media’s refusal to acknowledge it will certainly color the outcome.
The Court has also made it clear that it intends to severely restrict discussion and arguments about the devastating “permit” system which will essentially end gun sales in this state.
The injunction placed on Mz 114 by a state judge will remain in effect until that trial which is scheduled for September.
The Federal trial will continue this week. The cartel media will continue to be the mouthpiece for the state and provide slanted and misleading propaganda about the proceedings. You can count on that.
Meanwhile, every effort has been made by the state to drag this battle out as long as possible. Our legal bills are enormous and continuing. Our legal team has been working non stop and will continue to all week.
Your financial support for this fight has never been more critical as we work to build the strongest possible case and prepare for what will be the inevitable appeal.
We are deeply grateful for your help and activism.
Please consider any donation you can make to this critical battle. Our funding does not come from national organizations or firearms businesses. 100% of our resources come from people like you.
Donations to the Oregon Firearms Educational Foundation, which is funding this fight, can be made here:
yeah, well today they were reporting that the GDamn DemocRATS in Potland, are trying to pull this going after ALL Magazines for any firearms and banning them, essentially making it illegal to operate a firearm.
Yet were Oregonians live in a state that is constantly legalizing drugs. As many more of our drug addicts in this state are busy overdosing themselves. The DemocRATS legalizing drugs are killing more people than firearms, by alot. Yet, they legalize more and more drugs, killing more and more people... but going after guns is not aimed at saving lives, its all about disarming the public. So that the public can't stand up against them, and fight back.
Then people are celebrating that Trump was "indicted" on having Top Secret Documents, while Broadway Joe Biden, and Hitlery Clinton are given a free pass, when they've had more documents, and documents that they should have never had in their homes and offices, but being DemocRATS that is perfectly fine and they can overlook that, all day long.
We live in an occupied country.. occupied by our own DemocRATS. Communists are what they are...
Civil War is in this country's future, and then after that, it will be invaded by China and its allies to 'Stabilize' the world stage. I pray I don't live long enough to see where this nation is headed.
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
Saw in our local paper, some Federal judge has ruled that the 114 Measure is Compliant with the State Constitution.
Guess the next step is it getting put in front of The Supreme Court. But until that challenge, the Oregon DemocRATs will be having a field day, stopping gun sales within the state.
Of course the democRATs in this state, could care less about laws, unless it fits their conveniences, and ignore them if the laws are an obstacle to their agendas.
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
Saw in our local paper, some Federal judge has ruled that the 114 Measure is Compliant with the State Constitution.
Guess the next step is it getting put in front of The Supreme Court. But until that challenge, the Oregon DemocRATs will be having a field day, stopping gun sales within the state.
Of course the democRATs in this state, could care less about laws, unless it fits their conveniences, and ignore them if the laws are an obstacle to their agendas.
Still in hold due to the Harney County case, set for trial in September. I wouldn't have expected anything different from that Commie federal judge.
